I tipped my mini excavator

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I have a mini excavator with a Kubota Z482-EF04 motor. I tipped it on its side today. After I up righted it I tried to start it but it would not turnover, I tried again to start it and it started but its blowing a lot of white smoke. I let it run at idle for about 45 minutes but its still blowing out the white smoke. it starts and rev like normal but when I try to used the hydraulic the motor stalls. Pic attached.

Any ideas.
 

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Didn't allow enough time for all the fluids to settle out. Needs time for them to drain back down or run out the exhaust. I'm sure that some of the smoke is oil or fuel that got on the muffler.
 
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When you tip them over, you need to make sure no fluid is in a cylinder. The reason is you can hydro-lock the engine and cause damage like bending a rod. To prevent this, you would first pull the injectors or glow plugs and crank it over to rid any fluid. Good video:

 
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   / I tipped my mini excavator #6  
You're not supposed to start them right away after tipping. As already posted - stand them back up and then let them sit to allow fluids to settle.
 
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Any clue from the smell of the smoke? Unburned diesel? Burning oil? Burning coolant? Each has a unique smell. If you are luck it will settle and burn off over time. If you are unluck it was hydrolocked and your attempt to start it busted something internal. Unburned diesel would be the most likely result.

People use different terminology, so let me ask some more about what happened when you first tried to start it. You said it wouldn't turn over initially. Do you mean that the starter couldn't rotate the engine, and stalled, like it would if you had a low battery? Or did it rotate but just not fire off?
 
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Hydro-lock seems unlikely, if it was only on its side for a few minutes, unless it was some old engine that was already burning oil thru leaky rings or stem seals. But still always best to check all fluids, then remove glow plugs or spark plugs from all cylinders prior to cranking, to ensure all cylinders are dry enough to run.

If the smoke had lasted several seconds after re-starting, I'd have guessed a small amount managed to leak into the cylinders while the machine was on its side. After all, it's not like piston rings and valve stem seals suddenly become porous, just because the machine is on its side.

Someone mentioned coolant in the cylinders. Tell me how that could happen? I'm having trouble understanding how there's any path between cylinders and coolant, no matter which way you flip the thing. The coolant on these machines is a closed and pressurized system like any car, right? If there were some leak path dependent on gravity, your system would never pressurize, and the coolant would boil off.

Oil on exhaust seems possible, esp. if somewhere downstream that's not super hot, as that's the only way it'd keep smoking after several minutes. Still, seems unlikely, unless there was a lot of it.

Damage due to hydro-lock, although unlikely in my opinion, could cause continued smoking and the stalling under load that the OP describes. A bent connecting rod or broken valve stem would be sources of continuous oil intrusion thru piston rings or valve stem seal.

I work on gassers, not much experience with diesels. Can you run compression and leak-down tests, to see if anything serious was damaged? Short of that, if you can't find any obvious external source for the smoke (eg. oil on exhaust), then I'd be pulling the valve covers to check for damaged valve stems, etc. Last resort is pulling a head to check pistons, but at least on a gasser, you can usually debug that by compression and leak-down tests.
 
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The danger is oil getting into a cylinder via the PCV route. From what I have read anyway.

I tipped my B2910 on its side years ago, and was lucky. I did not realize the danger and after righting it, it started up immediately without any issues. It has been ten years or so now. I got lucky.

So the OP tipped the excavator, righted it, and suddenly has a problem...my guess would be it suffered a hydro lock situation, and one of the connecting rods is now bent. OR maybe the head cracked? BUT only a guess...
 
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Didn't allow enough time for all the fluids to settle out. Needs time for them to drain back down or run out the exhaust. I'm sure that some of the smoke is oil or fuel that got on the muffler.

Just a small point, but when the engine is righted, the fluids in the cylinders can't drain back down, since they likely came into the cylinder(s) through an open valve, via the PCV route...

Possibly could leak down past the piston rings given enough time...But that would probably be days at minimum, or longer.
 
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The danger is oil getting into a cylinder via the PCV route. From what I have read anyway.
This was a good catch. OP is going to have to tell us location of PCV, and if machine rolled in a direction that's likely to have sent oil that way. On most V-type engines, PCV is from one valve cover, so you have a 50/50 chance on whether tipping the machine will keep PCV dry or submerged. But I believe this Kubota Z482-EF04 is an inline arrangement, and without wasting time searching, I don't know the PCV location or arrangement.
 
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Any clue from the smell of the smoke? Unburned diesel? Burning oil? Burning coolant? Each has a unique smell. If you are luck it will settle and burn off over time. If you are unluck it was hydrolocked and your attempt to start it busted something internal. Unburned diesel would be the most likely result.

People use different terminology, so let me ask some more about what happened when you first tried to start it. You said it wouldn't turn over initially. Do you mean that the starter couldn't rotate the engine, and stalled, like it would if you had a low battery? Or did it rotate but just not fire off?
No it would not turnover just like a low battery, on the third tr it started. Strong diesel smell.
 
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Blowing smoke after a tip could be any number of things so further diagnosis by your self is needed. No one can properly diag your machine sitting in front of a keyboard.
 
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No one can properly diag your machine sitting in front of a keyboard.
Not true. We can't gather the data for him, but remote diagnosis happens everyday, on everything from mechanical to medical issues.

For example, inability to turn over would be another data point in favor of hydro-locking. If he gathers some of the other data points requested (compression, leak-down), further conclusions may be drawn.
 
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If it was hydrolocked and you cranked it, you now have expensive damage, in all likelihood. That bends valves and con rods and can destroy pistons
 
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If it was hydrolocked and you cranked it, you now have expensive damage, in all likelihood. That bends valves and con rods and can destroy pistons

How would you bend a valve? That happens when the engine is ran out of time which it wasn’t. Bending rods usually happen when fluid is sucked in with the engine running. Bending a rod with the starter motor would be impressive.
 
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Incompressible fluid in the chamber is bad. Many things can happen. Nothing good. Something will break
 
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Incompressible fluid in the chamber is bad. Many things can happen. Nothing good. Something will break

By far the most likely is the starter motor stalls and nothing happens. If the engine was still running when it flipped that’s when bad things happened. It was start starved for oil and any number of bad things could have happened or it could’ve sucked oil bad things happened.
 
   / I tipped my mini excavator #20  
I have a mini excavator with a Kubota Z482-EF04 motor. I tipped it on its side today. After I up righted it I tried to start it but it would not turnover, I tried again to start it and it started but its blowing a lot of white smoke. I let it run at idle for about 45 minutes but its still blowing out the white smoke. it starts and rev like normal but when I try to used the hydraulic the motor stalls. Pic attached.

Any ideas.
Probably was hydro-locked while trying the first crank over. Now I'm wondering if oil was pushed into the exhaust through an open valve and may have collected in the muffler. That would take a while to burn off. The OP says it revs normally even while blowing smoke so he may be alright, seems it wouldn't run well with bent rods and so forth. The other symptom of engine stalling when the hydraulics are engaged - I'm wondering if a hydro hose connection has come apart or a crimped steel line is causing the pump to dead head.
 

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