Idiot light

[gemini5362]

Buy used, buyer beware. Buy used and you are buying someone elses troubles. These old sayings didn't come out of nowhere. I bought my tractor used and checked it as good as I could. But if something broke the first day I wasn't going to court. It's a 1999 model with 1200 hours in it. I got what I paid for. On the other hand, it worked out well in my case.

Going to court you forgot to mention you can loose and have to pay. Dude can say, hey it worked fine for me and this guy was practically begging me to sell it.

Just fix it and enjoy it!!

actually in small claims court you just have to pay fileing fees. Their are no lawyers involved so no attorney fees. No cross claims because all you are doing is sueing for implied merchantibility. In arkansas fileing fees are 125.00 that is not much to gamble to try and get your money back or get it fixed.

I agree there is a lot of truth to the buyer beware issue but when you are dealing with a dealer things change. If the dealer sold it saying there was nothing wrong with it you have a lot better arguement

 

[Soundguy]

If you were indeed mislead.. as it appears you were.. it does not mean you were at fault .. or are a sap or an idiot. ( Tractor might still be a dog though ).

Getting lied to makes you a victom.. not an idiot.. hopefully you can get this resolved with the engine still in operable condition.

soundguy

Tallyho8:
This maybe unbelievable but when you referred to this: pain in the ***, nothin' but problems, haven't even used it yet kubota I had a twinge of resentment at the term "dog" that you used to describe my tractor. I'm an Idiot and a sap.
The second part of your reply is right on the button and my thoughts exactly, so stay tuned for more updates probably in a week or so.

I''m not used to being lied to. I run my own business honestly to the best of my abilities and give the best bang for the buck I can. I make my deadlines and usually will underestimate my time and always give a break to my clients if they ask. I've never padded a bill in my life. Why should a car or a tractor dealer get a wink and a nod as if half truths and outright lies are just part of the game.

Anyone interested in the type of work I do go to my online portfolio at Welcome

I may be a tractor idiot, but I'm an angry tractor idiot.

Thank you for your patience.

MLD

 

[mjncad]

I hope mj's above description of dealers habits is not an epidemic all over the US.

B

Well I'll be the first to admit that I am a highly cynical person, hence my comments. However, I do believe the Internet has gone a long way towards equalizing the playing field of getting fair prices and researching dealerships and other things.

In a few days, I should receive a third SCV hydraulic kit from a Missouri Deere dealer. If the kit arrives as promised and intact, I will have good things to comment on regarding that dealer as my local dealers either weren't interested in making a sale ($300+/-), or there is one that I feel the sales department as represented by the salesman I dealt with are a bunch of crooks.

When we bought our 35-acres, we inquired with the saleswoman about whether our future neighbors paid full asking price for the lot or not. She thought they did; but checked into it with the developer. In the meantime, we contracted on the lot for asking price. After the saleswoman contacted the developer, she informed us that our future neighbors paid 95%+/- of asking price, and the developer amended the sales contract for us to pay the same percentage. So there are decent people out there; I just wish they weren't few and far between, o at least more visible.

 

[MLD]

Gentlemen

Thank you for all your comments and suggestions.

For the price of diesel I have the use of a neighbors truck to transport my tractor. Not being mechanical and rapidly using up my friends time and patience not to mention yours. I think it's time to let the pros take a look. So I've put everything back as purchased and will transport my problem to "A" dealer tomorrow. I understand that the Rotation at the dealership is 4 days, so in about a week I should have the oil pressure verdict in the ongoing "Idiot light Saga".

Thank you.

MLD

 

[Egon]

But that last part, air will compress nicely, I'm not a chemical engineer, but most liquids do not compress. That's why we use to test drilling pipe with water, not air.

Actually liquids will compress slightly.

Pressure testing of pipes vessels etc. is usually done with a liquid as there is less chance of damage to surrounding areas if a failure does occur. It is also much easier to record the test as heat variations will have less effect on the liquid volume than on vapor type fluids.

One of my bicycles has air over oil shocks.

 

[nickmech]

Either the engine has oil pressure to spec or it doesn't. You need to know. MLD, good that you are going to have a shop check it out. Should be a quick test with a good master gauge plugged in. We see low oil psi. complaints at the truck shop I work at ocasionally. Most are bad sensors but not always. I've seen spun gear/shaft at oil pump, shop rag blocking oil pick up tube in pan, worn rod and main bearings [bad], or depending on the design it could be a plugged oil filter letting it bypass. Hope you find a simple fix.

 

[MLD]

Idiot Light Update:

After finally receiving the news in writing about the oil pressure light mystery with my B7100 the
verdict is.... "I've been had".

As this thread has been going on along time maybe a quick revue is in order.

I answered an ad for a used Kubota B7100 $2500.00

It was a private sale by the manager of a dealership. The tractor was parked at the dealership and we used the dealerships office to make our deal.

The tractor was very clean for it's age, no visible leaks, every thing worked and it purred like it should, no knocks no rattles just smooth.

I asked the manager two or three times if there was anything wrong with the tractor and he looked me straight in the eye and said ,"No there is nothing wrong with the tractor" each and every time.

He also refused my request for an oil change as unnecessary as it was done twenty hours before.

I decided if I waited this little beauty would be gone by that afternoon And I still think another "Idiot"
would have bought it just as I did.

After getting it home and starting to play with my new toy the idiot light came on and the rest is history, which you can read in more detail above.

The latest news is I brought the tractor to another dealership in the same chain of dealerships to have it checked out by the pros. Sure enough no oil pressure. It wasn't the sending unit and until they open it up
they won't know if its:

A. A gunked up oil screen in the oil pan possibly from sitting to long.

B. An oil pump

C. The plugs in the camshaft.

This camshaft possibility I brought to their attention thanks to a contributor to this thread. The problem is when the dealer contacted kubota they only had a 1979 Service bulletin on the "L" series not the B7100 at least that is all they could find.

The price tag for these options is steep. To cover their @&^%$'s they piled on 16 hours @ $80.00 per hr
that's $1280.00 in labor with a total of 1587.74 included the missing head bolt. and that if all goes well like no other frozen or broken bolts as they disemboweled the engine. This number could be more or less

So armed with this information and still being an "Angry Idiot" I can either go back to dealer I bought it from and demand and get nowhere.

Go to small claims court.

Or go directly to the general manager that oversees all the dealerships and the chain and raise @$^&%!
This is the option I'm leaning towards.

My point being that the seller manager doesn't know what he's doing. Or... he knows exactly what he was doing. Either way their dealership and good name is being used to sell shoddy equipment and this is being reported by me on TBN which at last count has been viewed by over two thousand people and all of them tractor lovers and buyers. And I haven't named names yet.

I definitely made a mistake and I understand it's going to cost me. What I want is some reduction in the repair price.

I may be a "Double Idiot" But that is my position.

 

[BJN644]

I think going to the GM is what I would do. If anything I'm sure he would like to know that there is an employee running his own business on company time.

If you plan on keeping the tractor, I would go with a complete engine overhaul. If that engine has been run much with no oil pressure there has been some serious accelerated wear on every moving part in that engine.

 

[nickmech]

Incredible. Should be an interesting conversation coming up when you confront this sleazeball with the story.

 

[irwin]

What does'nt make sense is the idiot light stays off for ten minutes, but the gauge showed zero pressure cold.. should'a showed 8+psi.