If you are thinking about buying a gray market tractor

[normde2001]

I really hope you are right about the compression. I base this on my service manual for a YM226, YM226D, YM220, and YM220D and under system tests and diagnosis (section 220-10-5) for compression pressure specification it says 568 to 639 psi specified pressure, 426 psi lower limit. A note says pressure given was taken at 1000 ft above sea level. A 3.6% reduction in gauge pressure will result for each additional 1000 ft of altitude. It goes on to say that an engine with compression pressures of 426psi or less will be hard to start and is in need of overhaul.

Is that a factory produced OEM Yanmar manual, or an I&T, or other reproduction? You would need a compression ratio of 50:1+ to get numbers like that.

 

[Mech]

I assume it is a reproduction of a Yanmar manual. It says Yanmar Diesel Engine Co, Ltd., printed in Japan, rev. May '89, on the front. On the first page for the engine specs (3T75HA) it says a compression ration of 22.5:1. I understand what you mean by the compression ratio vs. my atmospheric pressure, I can only assume that if there isn't an error in the manual, the engine pumps up to these pressures over a number of revolutions. Hoye who I have bought lots of parts from and has been very helpful to me, tells me that anything below 400 psi will be hard to start so that is consistent with my symptoms and what I'm measuring.

 

[normde2001]

I assume it is a reproduction of a Yanmar manual. It says Yanmar Diesel Engine Co, Ltd., printed in Japan, rev. May '89, on the front. On the first page for the engine specs (3T75HA) it says a compression ration of 22.5:1. I understand what you mean by the compression ratio vs. my atmospheric pressure, I can only assume that if there isn't an error in the manual, the engine pumps up to these pressures over a number of revolutions. Hoye who I have bought lots of parts from and has been very helpful to me, tells me that anything below 400 psi will be hard to start so that is consistent with my symptoms and what I'm measuring.

Maybe I'm totally wrong, here's an article that agrees with the book.

 

[LMTC]

Mark,

I have struggled with disclosing the name and have several reasons why I haven't.

1) I'm still trying to get them to make it right. They aren't answering my
emails but I will try to call them on Monday. I have very little leverage and
if I disclose their name I have none.

2) I really don't want to get into a screaming match on this forum and
suspect that is were it will go. I also get no joy from hurting anyone or
their business no matter how much they have hurt me.

3) If people want to buy a tractor, I now know that you buy from one of the
people that posts all the time on this forum.

In the mean time if someone is buying a tractor and wants to know that it isn't who I am dealing with they can always send me a private message.

Now this has gone to a place that makes me extremely uncomfortable. I am truly sorry you are having problems with your tractor. However, you have set yourself up in the position to privately tell other individuals that the dealer they are shopping ISN'T the purportedly bad dealer you have purchased from. So assuming you are honest and credible (and I am NOT saying you are not, but let's be honest, I don't know you), what happens when someone's PM or email to you gets lost, deleted, or somehow missed. Might they assume your lack of response indicates that the dealer they are shopping IS your mystery dealer? Or you do respond and the PM or email gets lost, deleted, or somehow missed on their end. Same result?

And the worst case scenario is that if you were a person somehow trying to tamper with someone's sales you will be doing so in complete anonymity, with no one being able to challenge you. Shoppers could write to you asking if your dealer is LMTC, or ABCD, or XYZ, and in each case you could indicate that it is your dealer, and none of those dealers would be in a position to counter that claim, because they would not even know it happened.

No, this is a very poor scenario and I for one say let the truth hit the light of day or forever be silent. I have no use for games. If you truly did not want to implicate your dealer, then you should have never raised the issue...you should have simply asked for help with a problem and left the issue of the dealer completely alone. You opened the thread by listing shortcomings of your purchase situation, and ultimately your dealer.

I will go on record as saying WE are not your dealer, and if anyone ever gets any communication that we are, I would greatly appreciate copies and documentation of that. This is beginning to take on some weird undertones.

 

[kenmac]

Mark,

I have struggled with disclosing the name and have several reasons why I haven't.

1) I'm still trying to get them to make it right. They aren't answering my
emails but I will try to call them on Monday. I have very little leverage and
if I disclose their name I have none.

2) I really don't want to get into a screaming match on this forum and
suspect that is were it will go.


If they tell you on monday that they aren't going to make everything right. Then, what do you have to loose if you disclose your dealer / rip -off artist etc, ?? You are either going to repair it yourself or junk it.


I don't understand the part about a screaming match If they post here they know who they are & should make all right.



Wayne , In my opinion ,I think everyone that has posted here for a while & knows you, knows that you aren't this type of person/ dealer & wouldn't think of or, relate you as being his dealer

 

[Jagmandave]

And if the dealer who sold it to him does post here, well they know who they are..........

 

[Mech]

OK, the PM idea was a bad one and I agree that it would be a bad thing to do. Also posting my list of problems originally was a bad idea. I had asked a few questions previously to help me diagnosis some problems and then my anger with the situation made me not think through the ramifications. I guess I could now say that it isn’t xyz dealer and abc dealer but I don’t know all the dealers and don’t want to get into any more trouble with you guys.

I'm not a tractor dealer and obviously not even a good tractor buyer. I'm an electrical engineer by profession. Grew up on a farm in Texas, now live in colorado and just wanted to get a good tractor for not so much money.

I obviously didn't do my research well enough before the purchase and shouldn't have accepted the tractor but that is past and dwelling on it won’t help the situation. My wife is very concerned that if I post this company's name they will sue us and I am still trying to get them to step up and at least give me a little money. I’m looking into getting lawyer to give me some advice but don’t know if that will make economical sense. So I don't really know where to go with this other than get my tractor fixed, feel luck that I got something for my money and get on with my life.

I apologize for starting this thread and hope that I can still ask a question or post an answer now and then.

- bob

 

[YanmarFever]

How do you get sued for telling the truth ??

Its usually when people DONT tell the truth that they are dragged into court.

 

[Tom_Veatch]

...I obviously didn't do my research well enough before the purchase and shouldn't have accepted the tractor but that is past and dwelling on it won’t help the situation.

Agree that dwelling on "might have been" doesn't cure any problems, but if that's the worst mistake you've ever made, I'd say you've had a pretty successful run at life. Some of my mistakes have been real lulus.

My wife is very concerned that if I post this company's name they will sue us and I am still trying to get them to step up and at least give me a little money.

I'm seriously unqualified to give any legal advice, but remember reading/hearing/absorbing from the atmosphere by osmosis/something about "truth" being a defense against libel. Seems reasonable, but have learned that logic and reason appear to have little value in legal matters.

I’m looking into getting lawyer to give me some advice but don’t know if that will make economical sense. So I don't really know where to go with this other than get my tractor fixed, feel luck that I got something for my money and get on with my life. ...

Would small claims court be an option? Might be inconvenient/impractical if you and the dealer are in different jurisdictions, and the procedures and monetary limits vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but if you feel you can make a good legal case, might be worth investigating.

... hope that I can still ask a question or post an answer now and then.

I don't think there is any question about an affirmative response to that.

 

[Tractors4u]

Also posting my list of problems originally was a bad idea. - bob

Posting a list of problems was not in itself bad, some of us just thought it made all grey market tractors look bad. Hind sight is 20/20 as we all know. I believe I would be pushing the dealer for a full refund. I am guessing that this is probably a small mom and pop outfit, so I wouldn't worry too much about a lawsuit. In fact I think the threat of a lawsuit against them might light a fire under their butt. Not just a verbal threat from you, but have an attorney draft a letter and have it sent certified mail. He isn't answering e-mail, he knows he has done something wrong and he is stalling. If and when you finally get him on the phone he will tug at your heart strings with some sob story as to why he hasn't returned your e-mail; work load, hard drive crashed, dog died, etc etc. Go after him. He took your money for tractor A and gave you tractor Q. I bet he would not have accepted less money if you had offered that upon delivery. I know you paid ahead of time, but you get my point.