In a Pickle CK20hst or Bota B7610

[Bob_Skurka]

Well I didn't know they made one that small. Even so, the CK20 falls to the very bottom end of the minimum required PTO hp, the B7610 is still a shade below 20hp at the PTO. I would think a 24hp would be the smallest you'd want to consider? The B7610 is a pretty small tractor and that seems to be a concern so you can fit into smaller yards and tight places.

Why is the 300 pound difference in weight such a concern when you are looking at a PTO powered implment that doesn't really qualify as a traditional ground engaging implement that would require excess weight for traction?

I was thinking a CK30 would be a better choice, but as you need a small tractor with high HP that pretty much rules out the larger CK class tractors completly. Have you considered the LK2554? It is a pretty old design but that is going to give you 20 PTO hp. It is several inches wider than the B7610, but about the same length.

 

[Dewser45]

I guess I was thinking the more weight the better.. I also want to use a Box scraper and PHD, I really was thinkin that the Bota wasn't a bad buy at that price. Saw a RotaDairon work yesterday and what an impressive machine. my plan was to get by with a smaller tractor this year and get another one next year as funds this year are kinda slim..

Thanks

Don

 

[Bob_Skurka]

For box blade work, the more weight the better.

For PTO implement work, weight doesn't typically help or hurt too much either way. Certainly it makes no difference at all with a PHD as the little Sub-CUTS and big 60hp brutes all effectively can use a PHD as long as they have the lift height.

The reality is both the CK20 and the B7610 are well suited to a 48" box blade (assuming heavy compacted soil). The 300# difference is really not that big of a deal, but it will tip the advantage very slightly to the CK20 in terms of traction. I just think that the reality is both will just as easily pull an identical box blade with no real or functional difference/advantage.

The biggest factor I see that makes the CK20 marginal for you is the PTO hp of only 16.5 (assuming the gear model). It really is a fine machine, but as the Rota Darion recommends 16 to 25 PTO hp, I think you are pushing your luck with the CK20. If you really want a Kioti, look to the LK tractor. It is still pretty small and gives you 20 PTO hp.

 

[Dewser45]

I looked at the LK series but they really do not have a creeper gear, min speed is like 1.07 mph and I need to go as slow as .5 mph so the HSt is much better suited. Heck I think I will flip a coin.. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I also like the fact that the CK20 has a stronger bucket and higher lift the 3pt also has a greater lift capacity, that the Bota. the more I think the more Kioti gets my vote. If it turns out to be to small I will just need to get another one next year, boy the bean counter will love that.

Don

 

[Bob_Skurka]

CK20 does have an awesome FEL. You won't regret that at all.

As for the 3pt lift, I have yet to find a small tractor of any brand that can actually utilize anything close to the full potential of the 3pt. In all honesty, there is no practical advantage to the capacity since most 3pts have so much capacity that they will lift the front end off the ground even if the FEL bucket is loaded with dirt!

You'll very likely be very pleased with the CK20.

EDIT: It would be nice to know how the Rota Darion works with at the low end of the recommended PTO hp requirements, so please keep us posted on how everything works out. ALSO make sure you post pictures of the Rota Darion 90 as I've never seen that size unit.

 

[JayC]

This certainly is a most interesting discussion. If you decide to get the CK20, definately post how well it does with the Rota Dairon (I keep wanting to say rotodendron /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif ).

 

[Dewser45]

I definetly will post some pics, Just need to get everything now. I need to find a decent price on a CK20HST with FEL within reasonable distance to MT. Have checked locally and dealer won't even get one unless I order it he said there to small for anything. Well needless to say he is out of the running. Have gotten a price of 13800 with Industrial tires and FEL Does that sound High? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Thanks

Don

 

[GerardC]

$13,800 sounds about right if it is an HST. Keep searching to see what you can come up with. I'm curious if that is an average price now. Gerard

 

[KiotiJohn]

I can't help feeling that you're cheating yourself by not considering the CK25. What Bob said notwithstanding, that frame is not huge, and would work around pretty small yards without much more difficulty than the CK20, yet offers a good deal more as I pointed out earlier. The price difference is not much either. I have a CK20 and have used both CK25/30 and know that frame is not too large for the things I need a smaller frame for.
As for the weight difference between CK20 and B7610, I'm not sure where Bob is getting his figures. The CK20HST weighs 1993# and B7610 is 1367 pounds. In my math that's over 600# difference, not 300# . John

 

[Bob_Skurka]

The weight figure was an error, I didn't look it up, I was going from memory, which is obviously faulty. Sorry about that. But I will still stand by the statement that in this case, both of the tractors are well suited for a 48" box blade and from the operators standpoint, it is likely there is no functional difference.

As for the CK25, no way I would recommend it, go up to the CK30! You'll get all the HP you need to run the implment and it is the same size as the CK25. So if the CK25 is going to fit, then the CK30 will fit too and will do a better job on anything the CK25 will do. I am under the impression that that size is simply too big for your application. The problem you seem to have is the price of either of those units is going to be more than either the B7610 or the CK20, probably by $1000 or more.

If the problems are the budget and the size, the B7610 is sitting at the same price as the CK20 which makes it a lot easier to justify the B7610 to get the added PTO hp with the Kubota. As both are similar size tractors, the size issue is irrelevant.

FWIW, the CK25 is almost a foot and a half longer and nearly a foot wider than the CK20. The CK20 and B7610 are within 2" of each other on both length and width.