Iron Hill Shed

[theboman]

Here's the latest pics. Check out what the earth equipment the Operations Manager dropped off, whew...what do they think I am, but it's green and yellow (can ya say Deere? Cat?)

You may not notice the progress (it's a slow pace when your help is yourself) but all the braces are in place and I build a support beam across the center poles for the rafters. Tied in the middle beams to the front and back. I have the first long rafter cut and ready to you it as my pattern. I just gotta get the small ones cut for the front. It'll be a saltbox style for sure.

All the top stringers are lag bolted to the poles with additonal exterior 4" wood screws and a few have a big ol' nail..had to get them in place then level.... For the most part everything else is 4" wood exterior screws (for some reason I think they maybe 4.5").

What few 1" siding boards are in place by 2.5" exterior wood screws and a 8 penny galvanized nail. I'd nail in place then add the screws after I hung them.

It's a work in progress for sure.

 

[damartin]

Looks good and sturdy, thanks for the pics.

 

[theboman]

I got the long rafters in place today and ready for the short front ones, remember I'm doing a saltbox style roof. This one man operation is a tad bit slow, but the end, well the roof is coming fast, hopefully faster than damp weather. Not too much snow in this part of KY.

I hope to get metal prices this week. Can't think of the place in WV and it's cut to size. I heard they were the lowest price too. I think the CEO wants red, but ain't nobody but the birds and the planes ever seeing the top, except the front overhang.

When I finished up this evening put the bush hog on and went to the bottom of the hill, deer season is coming on and I need to get some underbrush knocked down in the event a whitetail wanders close enough for BO-DADDY to harvest.

 

[theboman]

Got all the rafters up and about half the purlins are in place now. It's sure gonna look like a shed when done!

Contractor buddy gave me 4-5 sheets of metal for the roof, ah the roof of many colors. The bottoms are all white, so if the birds don't complain it just don't matter! The front of the saltbox roof will be red and the remainer will be what they give me the best deal on!
Frugal? Nope. Broke and cheap!

Gonna get 14' sheets for the back and either 10' or 12' for the front (forgot the measurements, but one sheet does the work of two. I would get longer (cheaper) but it's hard to haul anything over 14' in the pickup truck.

It's been a slow process since I'm my only help, minus the 4 year old handing me stuff that I drop or forget.

I'll get more pics soon, it got too dark too soon this evening.

Oh, when I started this morning I walked out and heard something 'round the wood pile. Took a few more steps and there's 6-8 gobblers.... darn the shotgun was in the house!
Oh well....

 

[EddieWalker]

Good to see your progress. I like the posts and teh rough cut lumber that you have bracing you have for the roof. It gives it that "been there forever" look!!!

How's the deer hunting there? I've never heard too much about Kentucky deer hunting. Never been there either, so I'm curious what it's like.

Eddie

 

[theboman]

Here are some pics of the latest.

Thanks Eddie, I hope it stands forever!! It should out last me and I hope that's a LONG TIME!

The KY deer herd is hugh. Were we live each tag is for 1 antlered & 1 antlered less (antlers smaller than the ears), or 2 antleredless. Then you can get two additional antlered less tags.
There's plenty of nice bucks too, but for me it's all about vittles for the table! We like our venison steaks, jerky, summer sauage, trail sticks, etc.

We have deer all around our place and I hope on moving one or two to the freezer this weekend.

I love to hunt with my muzzleloader (Knight 50 caliber) but love the reach out and touch effect of my Winchester 30-06. I have many other instruments to deer hunt with but these are by far my favs to tote onto the happy hunting grounds of KY.

I send $10 off every year in hopes of getting an Elk tag. KY has the biggest population of Elk this side of the Mississippi and they grow bigger here than Colorado with a lot of record breakers! Love to hang a Elk rack on my shed...so for now it'll be a few deer I've taken thru the years.

 

[EddieWalker]

Nothing says barn like a set of antlers on it!! And of course, the more the merrier. LOL

I'm five days into deer season and I haven't seen a deer yet. Kentucky is sounding allot better then my part of TX right now.

Eddie

 

[theboman]

This is for Eddie. Notice the shed and Kubota to keep this topical!

In the woods about 75 yards below the shed is where I was standing this morning. On top the ridge I'm guessing 1/2 mile away someone had target practice letting lose of 12-14 rounds in 4 shot bursts over the course of about 10 minutes. I was pretty frustrated over what I though were young'ns (I was wrong about that!). About 45 minutes later I was wondering if I should slip around to the point overlooking the most eastern point of my 5 acres and thinking is all that was getting done. I heard a noise coming over the hill directly in front of me, and the sun was hitting me right in the face so it was hard to see. Low and behold it's a deer, and a buck at that! I thought it was a 4 point when I first seen him. I reached to the 18" white oak where the 30-06 was proped up and then the deer vanishes right before my eyes, but I can still hear him walking. Oh, he's moved 20 feet to my left in some brush at the bottom of the hill and headin' east and about 75 yards from me, but he's in no hurry and clueless to me being there. Bang, he turns and goes back in the direction he came from and falls about 10 yards from where he stood prior to the impact of 170 grains.

After field dressing I walked up the hill to fetch a pail of water, opps, to fetch the Kubota. Back to the bottom and I loaded him in the bucket and drove to that thar tree where I hoisted him up to hose down. I tied off the rope and lifted him as high as the Woods 1006 FEL goes...his toes tipped the ground after a few minutes of limb building. I took him to a friend to cut up.

 

[SuperCobra]

I'm really following this becasue it looks like the run-in I want to do. Question about the salt box style roof. What supports the peak? Is it just like a regular ridgebeam style roof with with rafters, ridgebeam, and birdsmouths or is there some kind of support under the peak? I assumed that the rafters had to be symetrical for a ridgebeam to work. I can't tell from the angle of the pictures. Got anymore pictures?
Thanks,
Randy

 

[SuperCobra]

Not sure if I explained the last question correctly. Let me try again:

It looks like a ridgebeam at the peak and a beam further back on top of the center posts. Correct? What supports the peak on a salt box style roof like this? I thought a ridgebeam design needed to be symetrical so that the rafters pushed equally against the beam and the bird's mouths.

 

[theboman]

I'll try to get better pics of my hillbilly engineering tomorrow if it's not raining when I get back from a home inspection. Now this kinda looks like a saltbox roof, I think a true saltbox the roof pitch is the same on both sides...I think I read that somewhere in my hours of Google searches.

The center posts of the 16' wide building are 12-18" taller than the 8' front/back posts. On top the center posts is my "beam" of sorts that is two 2x4s nailed together (stagger so no joints are the same) with a 2x4 on top.

The center posts are braced front to back with one 16' 2x4 attached to all three posts (front, middle & back).

That long rafters run from the 2x4 top plate of the back wall (birdsmouth on the top plate) and rests on the beam (just toenailed on eachside to hold in place).

Anywhere there's a place there's another support brace: Each end. On each center support beam.

Now the long rafters has a ridge beam and it is attached to rafters on each side and again there are braces anywhere there's a place for support braces as just mentioned.

I have all the 2x4 purlins up on the long side (back) of the roof and I did up to the center beam from my scaffolding but the remainder I climped on top the rafters and purlins and nailed the remainder and she's a solid gal! No give and no wiggle with my 220 pounds of manhood climbing all about with aching 48 year old knees. I didn't even pay attention to where I was climbing either! I'll sit on the center beam when I attach the top run and maybe middle run, purlins to the front side.

Now I ain't no engineer, however I used to be a video engineer according to all the paperwork I had to signoff on back in the day, and I do like trains, so, IMHO I have zero worries about what my roof will hold and giving the fact that we get a few 1-3 inches of snows each year and one BIG snow of about 6" I'm not worrying about the snow load.

Oh, the back part of the shed is either just over or just under a 3x12 pitch, can't rightly recall but it was a 1/4 inch one way or another if I recall.

 

[theboman]

Ain't been to Spotys in YEARS! Back in the video engineering days I ran the roads for Adelphia in a 2000 Ford Explorer and that didn't help my knees! That vechile was made for someone 5'8" not someone 6'1" with long legs! They ached after 3-4 days driving 5 hours or more to work all over VA (Staunton, Harrisonburg, Fredricksburg, Grundy, and wherever Adelphia/Time Warner owned/operated cable systems). VA a beautiful state!

 

[theboman]

Big Boy Escavating doing some fill work. Notice the size of the bucket! The operator, I'm not that lucky to run this equipment has a large time with HER toys!

 

[theboman]

Not sure if I explained the last question correctly. Let me try again:

It looks like a ridgebeam at the peak and a beam further back on top of the center posts. Correct? What supports the peak on a salt box style roof like this? I thought a ridgebeam design needed to be symetrical so that the rafters pushed equally against the beam and the bird's mouths.

Here's a few more pics a bit closer of support and stuffies. I finished all the perlins today and was setting on the ridge beam in between all the support stuff and there wasn't even any wiggle with my big butt crawling all over it and the perlins.

I also got the first piece of metal on the back side too. It's needs a few more screws but I'm on my way to havin' my roof of many colors.

 

[theboman]

A few more pics.

 

[SuperCobra]

Bo,
Thanks for taking the time for the extra explanation and pictures. Understand perfectly now!

 

[SuperCobra]

Ain't been to Spotys in YEARS! Back in the video engineering days I ran the roads for Adelphia in a 2000 Ford Explorer and that didn't help my knees! That vechile was made for someone 5'8" not someone 6'1" with long legs! They ached after 3-4 days driving 5 hours or more to work all over VA (Staunton, Harrisonburg, Fredricksburg, Grundy, and wherever Adelphia/Time Warner owned/operated cable systems). VA a beautiful state!

Spotsy is a good place. I like it here and I'm a PNW transplant. A few too many leaves to take care of but that comes with the country. Never been to your part of the country but it looks beautiful too.

 

[dave1949]

Here is a quick reference to saltbox homes. BoMan is correct, the pitch is equal. It came about, I think I read once, as an inexpensive way to add on to an existing house. So it is practical and has some nice design lines at the same time.

Saltbox Houses in the Historic American Buildings Survey - Guides, Reference Aids, and Finding Aids (Prints andPhotographs ReadingRoom, Library of Congress)

Looks the barn is coming along nicely.
Dave.

 

[SuperCobra]

Thanks for the info. Looking at your post it looks like the original design/purpose added to a full sized symetrical rafter/ridgebeam style roof. The common application I see today on run-ins and sheds is to use the look to prematurely shorten one side so it isn't symetrical. I guess this is an advantage over a shed roof for a run-in since you have a bit of an overhang for shelter on the pasture (short) side.

I can see how the first application (addition) isn't compromising structure because you are resting the new rafter on the existing top plate. I still have to think through the implactions of truncating a side (as in the case of the second application). I haven't found any blueprints of this use - at least not with rafters/birds mouths - I have found ones designed with trusses.

 

[theboman]

We built this way to give it a kinder and gentler look than a typical shed roof. We have a few deed restrictions and this should be easier on the eyes to the neighbors than a typical shed. One things we have to use vinyl to match our home but what I've read I think says "similar in style", so the red roof will match nicely with our shutters and we are gonna whitewash the barn (kills bugs too!) since it's much cheaper than paint. We'll get to painting when the dollars/time allows.