Is a 110, L39, or L48 enough tractor?

tlbuser · Mar 28, 2006

Why? It is in the same LIST price range as a the L-39. Not everyone requires "full dealer support" to own and operate a machine either. Yanmar does have "special financing options" also. One of which is to pay CASH and get at least a 3% discount.
And I don't care for flop-over or fold down seating that I have to crawl over and or around to operate a machine.

MarkV · Mar 28, 2006

Looks like an interesting machine. I’ll look forward to seeing one in person. The placement of the gas tank on the side and all the hydraulic systems under the floor board is real nice. Not so sure about the 2 range HST and the mechanical loader leveling system rather than hydraulic. They run one less hydraulic pump than the Kubota’s which makes the backhoe so smooth on the L39. The PTO horsepower at 24 is a real disappointment for those of us who use this type of tractor for multi purpose use.

LarryRB, you guys in the North East really get stung on prices. L39 here in Dixie land was 32k out the door and a JD salesman friend sold a JD110 for 36k about a month ago. We will have to wait and see what the Yanmar ends up selling for when they have been on the market for a year.

MarkV

mike69440 · Mar 28, 2006

I think you can get a 3 Pt for the JCB 212? $$$$

Full size 9 ton TLBs have up to 18' dig depths, 3x the capacity of the CUT TLB's and are "earthmoving" equipment. Start a new thread to yak about these.

That JCB cost what an L39 cost, plust the pick-up and trailer to pull it combined. Still I drool for a 5-6 Ton class machine. Tire contact Pressure is high, so I think it would sink really good during mud season.

What seperates the TLB Cuts from the ag CUTS with a BH is the BH.

If I were just playing with a BH, the new Kioti DK45S with Cab, Loader and BH can be had for $32K. Great power, weight, Tires, ground clearance, turn radius, Loader, and Oh a sweet cab with Air and Heat! The 8-1/2' hoe beats a shovel and pick, but the L39 hoe has as about as much in common with the toy hoes as an full size construction hoe has with the L39. The L39 for its weight could not have much more hoe than Kubota put on it.

The L39 class hoe IMHO is the minimum hoe for any real BH work.

Still, There is fuctionality in a set-up like the DK45S, as long as any serious digging gets hired out.

( Ya that price is in the same neighborhood as the JD 110 and Bota L48 and just doesnt LOOK like it fits in that neighborhood, however I guess the specs say it does BUT......specs are written by the manufactures so whos to say.....I'm still keeping my choices between Green and Orange for now I think......although that little JCB 212 I think has 75hp.....holly cow.....no 3pt tho...... )

Builder · Mar 28, 2006

I just paid $33,500 for my L-39 with toolbox, horn kit, front hydraulic line gaurds and an engine block heater.

I called the local Yanmar dealer and their CBL40 was $35,500 with the rear PTO & 3 point hitch arm kit. Without the rear PTO it was $33,150.

Not bad. $2,000 more gets you a HST 2 range trans and 3,000 lbs of bucket lift.

tlbuser · Mar 29, 2006

My post was not intended to be a "personal attack". I was using "list prices" for a "fair comparison". As we all know, each dealer and area set different prices on equipment , trucks and "stuff" so it's easier to use than "what I paid" prices.

I'm thrilled that you're happy with your Kubota product. Unfortunately, I feel that with all of my bad habits from using industrial equipment, I would end up doing serious damage to one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

tlbuser · Mar 29, 2006

( Looks like an interesting machine. I’ll look forward to seeing one in person. The placement of the gas tank on the side and all the hydraulic systems under the floor board is real nice. Not so sure about the 2 range HST and the mechanical loader leveling system rather than hydraulic. They run one less hydraulic pump than the Kubota’s which makes the backhoe so smooth on the L39. The PTO horsepower at 24 is a real disappointment for those of us who use this type of tractor for multi purpose use.

MarkV
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Doesn't Kubota market theirs as three pumps including the power steering system? That may be the difference here, not sure until at least one of us gets to see and touch one. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Agreed about the PTO HP, was also wondering why there is such a big difference in the numbers?

Builder · Mar 29, 2006

( My post was not intended to be a "personal attack". I was using "list prices" for a "fair comparison". As we all know, each dealer and area set different prices on equipment , trucks and "stuff" so it's easier to use than "what I paid" prices.

I'm thrilled that you're happy with your Kubota product. Unfortunately, I feel that with all of my bad habits from using industrial equipment, I would end up doing serious damage to one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

It's OK, didn't take it that way, friend! I just was getting more curious about the Yanmar machine since the guy that calls me grasshopper has brought it up. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I have a big Yanmar dealer ~20 miles from me and they were happy to quote me a price since I've dealt with them on other machines. I thought I would share with you guys. They seemed real anxious to put me in one, but i told them i just got an L39.

One other very interesting thing he told me was that Yanmar makes more of the JD110 than just the engine. He seemed to think they made almost the entire tractor! I thought it would be strange that yanmar would make the bulk of the JD110, then come out with their own machine that beats the JD in almost every aspect of performance, and costs less.

You'd think that would make JD kind of upset.

MarkV · Mar 29, 2006

Yes, Kubota uses one pump just for the power steering, one for the backhoe swing and the largest for the remainder of the operations. The B21 has two pumps but one is dedicated to the power steering. I’ll be interested to see how the CBL40 utilizes its pumps. I would suspect it will be smooth given that it is adapted from their mini excavator line.

The PTO power really has me baffled as to why there is so much of a drop from the gross horse power. It may just be what their HST tranny uses or how the turbo develops power. For the multi use owner you would have a hard time using a rotary mower large enough to cover the tractor width.

Just some points of interest for those comparing the CBL40 to the L39. The CBL lists its operating weight as 7580 lbs and that includes a 165lbs operator and I would suspect fuel and oils. Kubota says 6987 lbs. for the L39 and I think that is dry. Sounds like they would be close if weighed the same way.

The CBL loader shows lift capacity to full height at the pivot pins as 2980 lbs and 4375 lbs breakout force. (I assume also at the pivot pins) The L39 from the same point shows 2767 lbs. lift and 4605 lbs. breakout. Again pretty close when compared from the same points.

The L39 backhoe and the CBL are within an inch of each other for max digging depth. The CBL shows bucket digging force as 5798lbs and arm force as 3582lbs where the L39 lists 5825lbs for the bucket and 3779lbs for the arm.

The CBL40 looks to be real comparable to the L39 on many of the specs. I can see how it would have a place in the market for those who want the HST and turbo diesel while still staying, by very little, under 10,000lbs.for a tractor and trailer combo. That is hard to do with the L48 or JD110. I’ll look forward to hearing from someone who has used both to give a seat of the pants comparison.

MarkV

JayC · Mar 29, 2006

When looking at the brochure, it looks like it uses the same engine Deere uses in the 3520. Deere rates the engine speed at 2600 RPM, Yanmar doesn't list it in the brochure. I wonder how the Yanmar could have only 24PTO HP when Deere has 30? It's the same engine. Also, does anyone know if the CBL40 has a two-pedal or treadle-pedal system? It is hard to tell in the brochure. Does the CBL have a range selector? By reading what the broshure says, I get the impression it doesn't, that it is all automatic.