Is Kioti Viable for the Long Term??

[lcisled]

I have a Deere in the shed, right beside the Kioti.

I had never heard of Kioti until slightly before I bought one. The reason I bought one was the hydraulic capacity was higher on the Kioti than the comparable Deere(4100). The 3 pt lift capacity was slightly higher. The loader capacity was slightly higher and the price was about 2K less. I also liked the fit and finish better and the overall appearance. I did not like the little tach and what I felt was a large garden tractor compared to a small tractor. MHO, so please do not turn it into a debate.

I have about 200 hours on my Kioti. My dealer is a state away. I have a Kioti dealer 1/2 mile from my house. No warranty work to date. This is a good tractor, just as my Deere is a good tractor. Between my Dad and brothers (I would call all of us Deere men) we have 3-20s and a 30.

The question is somewhat of a good one and somewhat of a joke. What do I care? I will not be viable long term. Do I want Kioti to pull out of the market? No, but I do not think that they want to pull out either. They are doing a **** of a job for me as a customer and that is all I can ask. Right now, for me, they are viable.

I find it funny that this topic seems to pop up in one form or another on this thread from time to time. I truly believe that it is just to see the Kioti faithful defend and the Kioti non-owners debate. It also generates a lot of posts and pages. You will only find out how well the horse rides from the saddle, not on the ground talking. The guys on the horse get fired up when you talk bad about their mount!

Bottom line-put out a good quality competitive product at a good price and you should do well. I would buy a Kioti again. As I said, that makes them viable to me.

 

[RedDog]

Yep!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif He better get rid of that Cub. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


I have a hard time believing Mahindra is ahead of MF.


To answer the orgininal question is Kioti viable for the long term? Yes I sure wouldn't have bought one if I thought otherwise.

RedDog

 

[AutoUnionTypeC]

You assume the 2k the Kioti buyer saves is dead money. That of course supports what you want to believe. Our "thrifty" Kioti owner being the clever person that he his would probably put that money in the market and make it work for him. Let’s assume he’s modestly successful and is able to get an 8% return on his money over that same twenty years. That 2k would now be $9321.91. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif So...... now you know what I'm doing with my 2k, I hope you enjoy your green paint. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Regards, Jamie

 

[viking65]

In most cases it will be dead money. I believe very few second or third tier tractor buyers are sitting across from the Mahindra or Kioti salesman thinking about how they will invest all the money they saved and how they will make 8% on it.

Let's see, do I put my $2000 into a CD, no that'll only get me 3.5%. How about a T-Bill, no that will only get me about 4%. How about some blue chip stocks?? Stock market is to risky...what to do /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Salesman interrupts thrifty Kioti/Mahindra/Branson buyer...Sir would you like Turf tires or Industrials?...hold on, I'm calling my broker to make 8% on the money I saved on this tractor. I just don't see that happening...Yep, the $2000 is dead money.

 

[GerardC]

<font color="red">viking65:</font>

Why do you have a Cub Cadet, talk about KIOTI and use JD as an example? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

That's my 27.3 cents worth! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[Donnyj]

Looks like a Cub Cadet 8000 series tractors seem to like Kioti and Daedong as well. Looks very familiar to me.

 

[RedRocker]

The price difference between something like a Deere/NH and Kioti was the deciding factor on whether I have a tractor or not.
2K is a nice figure, but it was more like 4K here. TC33DA with FEL was over 19K, CK30 HST with FEL $15150. That put it within my grasp, well, enough to "justify" another payment anyway. It's a heavy nicely finished good looking tractor with a lot of nice features, I just bet a fair amount of money they'll be viable. If they keep on track and don't get greedy I think they'll be a big player.

 

[HODAK]

20 YEARS?? I don't know if I'll be here tomorrow. If I am, I plan on using my KIOTI to move some dirt, haul firewood, use a 60" flail and whatever else I need to do. Check them all out and buy what you want / like. I don't worry about resale and I bet most of the tractor buyers out there don't worry abouit it either. They pick a brand and then read TBN. I agree with a previous post, (so many I can't recall), the NH is a nice tractor, but the difference was way more than 2000 dollars when I was shopping. I'm sure a comparable JD would be way more also.

CK30HST FEL
My two cents. Enjoyed reading this thread though! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[getut]

Viking65... you're assuming that somebody would automatically defer and go to one of the big 3. I didn't throw the money that I saved buying Kioti over JD into the garbage can. Let me know the week you plan on doing something similar and I'll come empty your trash from every room in your house that entire week. Just because I'm a nice guy like that and I like helping.

I would not defer. If it wasn't Kioti for me it would have been someone else with very good quality and low prices. If ANY company is building something with equal quality/features at a lower price, then to ME that is proof positive that the other guys COULD do it cheaper if they so chose to do it (they may have to make structural changes to do it though). They are NOT choosing to do it, so that in my pea brain, constitutes dishonesty. It may be that a big 3 company doesn't have any choice but to charge that amount... due to any number of reasons... paying CEO too much, labor unions have them by the short hairs making them pay floor sweepers $18 an hour when that job simply doesn't deserve that level of pay, or it may be their too fat on the administrative side or it more likely may be combinations of the above. It doesn't matter though, if someone else is building essentially the same product and the quality is there, and they are doing it for a lower price, then the company that is charging more, in my eyes, is dishonest on at least some level. Assuming all else is equal, I absolutely refuse to pay a premium for something I can't hold in my hand (a name).

 

[DK35vince]

viking65,
If you want a big 3 machine, go buy one. No one here stopping you.
But if you purchase one in my area you are going to need a whole lot more ( a lot more ) than $2000 for a JD similarly sized and equipted.
Yes, no question, Kioti was a viable option for me.