Is Kioti Viable for the Long Term??

[Dargo]

I know it makes it bad for the Kubota dealers, but Kubota was actually less expensive than Kioti for me with the competition Kubota dealers have. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif And, with resale values the way they are, it made Kioti not an option for me at this time.

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I know it makes it bad for the Kubota dealers, but Kubota was actually less expensive than Kioti for me with the competition Kubota dealers have. And, with resale values the way they are, it made Kioti not an option for me at this time. )</font>
Don't think that we regulars have forgotten that you've done nothing but complain about your Kubota's problems and that the dealer still hasn't repaired it to your satisfaction. If the Kioti was more expensive, I'll have to see that in writing, while I continue to use mine with no problems.
More detail will follow in a PM.
John

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue">Don't think that we regulars have forgotten that you've done nothing but complain about your Kubota's problems and that the dealer still hasn't repaired it to your satisfaction.</font>

Well John, now you've let the 'cat out of the bag' /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.......Dargo's Big 3 tractor manufacturer?? Maybe viking69 will step forward and become Dargo's "consumer advocate". /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Messick's wrote:
<font color="blue">Right now <font color="black">(Kubota) </font> BX TLM packages are selling $400 below last years price even before the steal increases. </font>

WOW! That's great to know for resale. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Don

 

[viking65]

Don, you have missed the point from the beginning. I understand that is par for the course for you.

I have not been an advocate for any brand. I only wanted to talk out some of the second tier tractor companies and their long term probability of success and the cost, in the long term, of a big 3 tractor compared to a second tier tractor. That cannot be done in this setting. Unless someone praises or asks a question, in only a positive tone, regarding Kioti then the ultra sensitivity of some Kioti owners comes to the surface very quickly. Maybe there is a little insecurity with some of the Kioti owners in this forum.

I really hope Kioti does succeed. It's good for Kioti owners, dealers and employees. Same for the other brands. But they all won't make it, Kioti included. The market will decide. It's just more of a risk to buy a Kioti than to spend a bit more and buy a NH/JD/Kub. Will Kioti be around? How bad is resale value? Will my dealer be in business next year? Can I get parts in 5 to 10 years?

I took on more risk when I bought a Cub Cadet sub-compact. I could have bought the JD or Kubota equivalent but I liked the Cub better just as you like what you saw in the Kioti more than the JD/NH or Kubota. I don't know how long Cub Cadet will continue to support my tractor. I could be in the same boat a you. Only time will tell.

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I only wanted to talk out some of the second tier tractor companies and their long term probability of success and the cost, in the long term, of a big 3 tractor compared to a second tier tractor. )</font>
If this were your only motive, you would have posted a thread in the general buying/pricing/comparisons forum and the title of the thread would be something like: "Are 2nd tier tractors viable for the long term," not is Kioti... Kioti is not more than one second tier tractor, so your assertion that you "wanted to talk out some of the second tier tractor companies falls flat on it's face.
Add that to some of the other comments you've made regarding Kioti, and believe me, we can smell the trolling going on.
If you never had any intentions of trying to make Kioti out to be a risk, then you would have done it the way I said.
Thinned skinned, I don't think so, but if so, so be it. Fair is fair, and your tactics are not.
John

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue">Don, you have missed the point from the beginning. I understand that is par for the course for you.
</font>

Well MrViking, your not the first who's taken a shot at me and I'm sure you won't be the last.

You came into this thread with your own forgone conclusions and expressed them as fact. I don't see where you were looking for any discussion.

I'm sure the Kioti owners can see right through your charade. There a pretty knowledgeable group....and helpful beyond belief if you come in with the right attitude.

Since this thread seems to have reached the end of it's useful life, I'll request a moderator to close it down.

Have a good day. I hope you find a tractor you can be satisfied with.

Don

 

[getut]

viking... again you are talking to people that made their decision to go with Kioti. You are going to hear good things from most of us and most of us speak the truth as we see it. I don't agree with overhyping a brand and no offense Kioti John, I have seen you hyping Kioti even when it was not on the question list. But also in John's defense, I have seen him recommend NOT to go with MMM's in certain scenarios since they are known to have problems. So... I think for the most part you are getting truly what people believe here.

Kioti's are great, not perfect, but great. What more can you ask for in a review?

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't agree with overhyping a brand and no offense Kioti John, I have seen you hyping Kioti even when it was not on the question list. )</font>
Yes, sometimes I do that because it's obvious that some people aren't even aware that they exist. If they're asking about specific tractors, I make comments on those, usually not bad things either, and suggest they look at Kioti, Mahindra, Branson and others as well. No offense taken, but lets have the real background behind why I do it. Don't forget, most of those people have never owned a tractor and don't know what's out there.
I have often recommended other brands when it has been appropriate, but I'm sure going to mention that a Kioti is out there and may suit their needs as well.
John
John

 

[Donnyj]

I never heard of Kioti until I came across this website. I figured I was going to have to "settle" for something else. Reading these posts got my curiosity up. So I went and looked. Then I bought. The product sold me. I like the other 2 brands I looked at {Kubota and NH}. Just felt like I was getting more for my money with Kioti. Really was impressed with the support from the Kioti company. Also impressed with the help and advice I received from some people on this website.

 

[Dargo]

Cool KJ, nice PM. Unfortunately, I'm not like you. If something doesn't work, regardless of the brand, I'm not going to sugar coat it and say that that brand is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I really don't need to point this out either. If people have read your posts, regardless of the problem with anything Kioti, it is always the dealer or operator error.

It's fine that you want to cast stones at me for saying that I'll buy Kubota when it is less expensive than Kioti. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Your screen name says it all. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif