Is "Pretty Good" "Good Enough"?

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</font><font color="blueclass=small">( How many products go to market before they are "perfected"?

Pretty good is good enough. Just ask Bill Gates. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

I always had the impression Bill thought it was "good enough for government work." /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Henro....... when you get around to drilling the ROPS, will it be good enough, just right, or perfect????? Who will be the judge???? Will you allow us to be the judge and jury??? Can we vote on it??? To what degree of perfection do you want us to hold you to?? To what degree of perfection are you going to hold yourself to??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Whenever I (we) work around the house I always seem to say "What do you think, that's pretty good isn't it"? I usually get the response, "Yeah, that's good enough".
So, I think the answer to this is question is.... YES. Pretty good IS good enough! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Is "Pretty Good" "Good Enough"? #24  
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Junkman,

I think perfection is like beauty, it is all in the eyes of the beholder.

Thats pretty /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

What more can one say?

Good enough is good enough for me... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

For some reason I prefer satisfaction over perfection! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also prefer a full stomach over being hungry! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As far as ROPS drilling goes, when I do it, I am certain it will not be perfect, if I am lucky it will be just right, but it will certainly be good enough!

By the way, I'm like you. If I hired someone to do something, he better do it at least as well as I would, or he would hit the bricks...
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( By the way, I'm like you. If I hired someone to do something, he better do it at least as well as I would, or he would hit the bricks... )</font>

...which would mean that he'd probably fall into the "Pretty good" catagory which in your book wouldn't be "Good enough". So, better to do it yourself (like me) so you don't have to utter those aweful words "Pretty good". /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Did I say this pretty good? Do you think it's good enough ?! I think I stated it pretty good so it's GOOD ENOUGH ! (LOL) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ....................................
By the way, I'm like you. If I hired someone to do something, he better do it at least as well as I would, or he would hit the bricks... )</font>

If I hire someone to do something he better be able to do it better than I can, because if he can only do as well as I can do it, then I don't need him to do it, I will do it myself. I hire people to do that which I am not capable of doing and for their expertise.
When I had a repair shop, I told the body men that I know the difference between good and bad work, and that I could do bad work, but I was paying them to do good work. If I wanted bad work, then I would do it myself. I always asked for good work from them and they always gave me exceptional work in return. I never "demanded" perfection, but they always produced work that was beyond what the average shop was turning out.
 
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'perfect'......'good-enough'.....'doing-it-RIGHT'......I don't expect rough carpentry to be within thousanths....but I do expect an effort be made to get it as close to 'right' as possible without extreme effort. I liked that that guy wasn't there after lunch. Wristwaches, crankshaft journals and taper bearings need to be close to 'perfect'..but even that...'perfect' is just theory. I hate the attitude of 'good-enough'. I'll take picky perfectionist every time. It's an attitude of 'doing-it-right'. It's too bad we have to check on everybody who does a job for us.
 
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Incidentally, there was a book out about the early 60's called "Atlas Shrugged" by Ian Rand. It spoke to this very subject. Although a fiction, there was much truth to it then, and is still true today.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 'perfect'......'good-enough'.....'doing-it-RIGHT'......I don't expect rough carpentry to be within thousanths....but I do expect an effort be made to get it as close to 'right' as possible without extreme effort. )</font>

Exactly! When it's done "right" it's good enough. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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GerardC ...

I know that I am going to be showing my ignorance of modern day iron /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif, but what is that fancy red car under your name. At my age, these modern day cars all look the same. I am sure that Henry Ford used to say that also, when he got to be my age!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( GerardC ...

I know that I am going to be showing my ignorance of modern day iron /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif, but what is that fancy red car under your name. At my age, these modern day cars all look the same. I am sure that Henry Ford used to say that also, when he got to be my age!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

)</font>

Hi Junkman,

It is a 1988 Chevrolet Corvette with a one piece glass top (removable). The interior is black leather, the dash and center console burlwood. It has a 7 speed (4+3) overdrive transmission that launched me to 143 MPH!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif NOW THAT IS A TOY! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Guess that I should have refereed to that as modern day <font color="red"> "Plastic" </font> LOL /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Doesn't look anything like my 1954! I owned that one so long ago, I can barely remember what it looked like /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif I am still trying to remember the day that I woke up and realized that I had grown old, but even that day was so long ago, that I have forgotten when it was. Seems like it was just last year that President Lincoln was assassinated!!!!!
 
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Having spent a lifetime in quality control, I know a little about perfection. Perfection doesn't really exist. It's an admirable goal to aspire to, but by no means necessary. Merely aspiring to the impossible goal of perfection makes us greater as individuals and as a civilization.

Perfection is something that is often expected more of others than of ourselves. We forgive imperfections in ourselves because we *know that we aspire to perfection. We often don't accept imperfection from strangers because we *suspect they do not try to do a perfect job.

Perfectionism is an obsession. Obsession is not a mental illness as the shrinks would have you believe. It's simply nature's way of ensuring that great works are acheived by man. It's nature's way of ensuring that our dreams become reality. Without obsession, there would be no Great Pyramids, Taj Mahal, or Hoover Dam.

I have to admit, for every hour I spend digging a hole, I spend an hour smoothing the edges and squaring the corners. I'm a slave to my own perfectionism, and I can live with that.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have to admit, for every hour I spend digging a hole, I spend an hour smoothing the edges and squaring the corners. I'm a slave to my own perfectionism, and I can live with that. )</font>

I think you just want more seat time!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Perfectionism is an obsession. Obsession is not a mental illness as the shrinks would have you believe. It's simply nature's way of ensuring that great works are acheived by man. )</font> I agree with everything you said, except this. The type of Obsessive / Compulsive disorder I've seen in my practice as a psychiatric nurse are quite different from someone aspiring to greatness. Checking a door 100 times a night to make sure it's locked, washing one's hands until they bleed, etc. are signs of mental illness. In the context in which you meant it, I agree, but please don't think there isn't a disorder in the type to which I refer. Thanks, John
 
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Yesterday this topic was bouncing around in my head like a BB in a boxcar. I was being a little obsessive, almost a little crazy.

You see I believe most of what doesn't kill us makes us better as a human being--species. I see obesity as our genetic knowledge encouraging us to eat because there were times in our genetic past when food wasn't always available etc.

From my perspective perfectionism is more about efficiency than anything else. Folks think I'm obsessive about my post holes. I want them deeper than the post and I want them regular shaped and I don't want any loose dirt in the bottom of them.

That sounds like being obsessed from a lot of really dumb folks perspective. But it's experience talking.

If you're concreting in posts the posts will last longer if there's concrete under the bottom of the post. If a posthole is cone shaped, bigger at the top than the bottom, then the natural heave of frost, clay drying, or just dirt shifting will find it easier to lift the post out of the ground over time. If there's loose dirt in the bottom of the hole over time it will compress. The post will drop.

Yesterday I set about forty posts for a couple of three sided dog runs at a condo complex. I ususally don't do chainlink but this particular project my specs and prices was way above the competition and they wanted quality. Such a small job means I don't get to use the tractor to dig the holes and bringing in the concrete mixer is more trouble than it's worth.

So I use Maximizer sacrete. Some of you might remember a couple of years ago my adventure with TXI over Maximizer. On one job alone I used twelve hundred bags. I found out that their quality control on the mix totally sucked. One batch would be heaven to work with while the next was miserable. I emailed management.

They responded. I got a meeting with the powers that be. We had bar b que. I got a tour of the plant. I found their problem. They ignored my advice. I left with some free t shirts, some complimentry bags of Maximizer, and they felt better.

The Maximizer I got yesterday was as bad as any I've ever gotten. I was so mad I could chew up nails and spit out screws. This was after the nice lady at Lowes charged me fifty two dollars or so for twenty bags. I told her she'd made a mistake. She pointed out she'd charged me for sacrete. I explained that I didn't use sacrete. I use Maximizer. She found the right SKU. Costs me ninety two dollars instead.

Of course one bag of good Maximizer replaces one point six bags of sacrete. So it wasn't forty dollars more, more like eighteen or so, half a buck or less a hole let's say.

For that buck I get easier to handle and mix in the wheelbarrow concrete. It's fifty five hundred psi mix versus the twenty five hundred of sacrete. It sets up harder faster, another plus or two.

Unless like yesterday it's at the end of the run and the stuff is mostly powder. It doesn't go as far. It doesn't want to mix worth crap. It's just miserable and one pays extra for the misery.

I guess what makes me so mad is I went out of my way, spent most of day, four to five hundred dollars wages for me and my equipment, to help them out with a problem they never knew existed.

They took my information and put it in the folder labeled "good enough for most folks, this guy's just obsessive". I'm sure when they messaged each other after our visit their consensus was "the t shirts and complimentry Maximizer was a good enough compensation."

My dream is now Toyota or Honda will go into the concrete mixing business. I heard one time that on their assembly line that anyone can see a problem and stop the line. I think that's a good idea.

At the TXI plant in Hurst Texas they are prouder'n a little billy with two, well, two instead of what the rest of have only one, of their temperature controlled dust free control room. That's the puppy where it all happens and where the cubic dollars was spent.

But, the only place where they have any idea of the type of mix that's actually going into the bags is where the bags are filled. A single hispanic laborer sitting on a carriage loading bags onto the filler tubes is the one who's on top of the situation.

He's only a dumb laborer lucky to have a job. How in the heck could the ultra smart management at TXI trust such a person with the responsibility of ensuring their reputation for a quality product?

Toyota or Honda could. But then they've got a reputation to protect. I guess understanding teamwork, leadership, and that perfectionists are at the leading edge of society is something taught but never expected to be learned.
 
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definition of "close enough for government work" is something you measure with a micrometer, mark with a piece of chalk, and cut with an ax. ... personally I've always tried to "do it right the first time" 'cause my Dad was infamous for doing it just good enough to get by and spent his life doing it over and over and never doing it right. Guess I learned better from his bad example. Another trueism I've found over the years is "nothing causes maintenance like maintenance" kinda goes hand in hand with "if it ain't broke dun't fix it" .... and yet I'm a bit of a stickler for preventative repair over emergency repair -- it's handier and most times cheaper.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Checking a door 100 times a night to make sure it's locked, washing one's hands until they bleed, etc. are signs of mental illness. )</font>

I was not speaking of pathological obsession, and I never once mentioned the word "Compulsive". Apologies if I misled you.
 
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I knew how you meant it, but I didn't want people to think that a normal obsession to strive for perfection is the same thing that leads to the compulsion to which I speak. Without "obsessed" persons who make things the right way, where would we be. Just as a lot of Bipolar people who tend to be "manic" are good to have in your employ when you want to get things done! Doing it right is a good thing. I only wish more companies had employees who felt the same. John
 
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Couldn't agree more. Just like the American auto's....they started upping the quality when there was a greater foreign competition other than the Bug. Only when their feet are held to the economic fire will 'they' make a change. Another item I like is the 'founder' concept. As long as the 'founder' is in control, the product/company does great. When founder dies/retires/gets eased out, 99.5% of the time the product/company doesn't fair as well. The 'good-enough' attitude replaces the founder ideals. (WHEW). All this philosaphy!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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