Buying Advice JD 5075E vs Kubota 7060 both with cabs

[unclebilly]

I have seen some comparisons on the OOS tractors but want input on the cab'd machines.

I travel a lot with work, we have cows and 2 small children. I need a machine that my wife can hop into when it is -30 (with kids in tow) and feed the cows a bale of hay. I also want ot pull a baler, swather, mower, and rotiller (maybe).

I have looked at:
Case FarmAll 75 - front axle not up to handling big bales (this is from CASE depsite the brochure showing 4 photos of these tractors hauling bales).
New Holland - same as case.
Kioti DK55 ad 90. The closest dealer is nearly 100 miles away. The cost savings are attractive but...
LS - I have spoken with the dealer, also 100 miles away.
McCormich X60.30 - way bigger machine but the pricing is attractive but the resale seems to be bad on these.
John Deere 5075E - we have 2 dealers. One won't honor their advertised pricing, the other won't have stock for several months.
Kubota 7060 - this was the first machine I looked at.

I am down to Deere 5075e and the Kubota 7060. Pricing is similar. Kubota has a better warranty (5 years on power train). I think Deere may have better resale - this is green country. The Deere is quite a bit smaller but seems to be as capable albeit with lower PTO HP. The Deere is made in India (even the injection pump is made in India) whereas the Kubota is Japanese. The Deere is Teir IV interim whereas the Kubota is TierIV. On paper these tractors are very similar.

What say you guys - should I buy the Deere or the Kubota? What was the deciding factor for you? A 5085E is only $6000 more but i dont know I would need to make that jump.

 

[dave1949]

Those are the two machines I have been comparing lately. Deere or Kubota are my only reasonable dealer choices.

It's probably a software glitch, but on the "Build My Kubota", it won't put R4's and a loader package on the same machine. For your use, you probably would rather have R1's anyway.

 

[KNOWITALL]

I have looked at:
Case FarmAll 75 - front axle not up to handling big bales (this is from CASE depsite the brochure showing 4 photos of these tractors hauling bales).
New Holland - same as case.


The New Holland T4.75 and it's red headed step child of a cousin are more than capable of handling big bales. I have sold many since they have been out for the sole purpose of being loader tractors to load/unload roundbales....mostly 5' x 6' bales at that. It really does compare better to the 5083e or 5085e. The 5075e is a price point Indian tractor....don't get wrong I have one too. They are great for certain people doing certain task but I'm afraid you would out match it. If you are crazy enough not to by a Blue one! ( I'm kidding but do give them another look and speak with a dealer that knows his product) I would strongly recommend a Kubota....load the tires and throw some wheel weights on and you have a machine that would run circles around the inferior 5075e. My two cents....

 

[art]

Comparing those to models isn't quite right as the Kubota is a higher end tractor. Many of the majors have been building economy tractors, ie, 5075E to compete with the Kubotas. All you need is to have the two next to each other and run a sound test. With the deere anyone I know wears ear protection with them.

 

[bigbull338]

i was in the same boat as your in now back in july.i had a mx5100hst 4x4 fel that was bought new in 2010.we used the tractor to feed hay with moving 5 by 6 an 4 by 6 bales.then this we bought a 5 by 6 baler to bale our own hay.an that baler puts up bales that weigh 1800lbs or more.an the mx5100 was strugging to pull the 4 bale hay hauler an pick up those heavy bales.so in july i traded for a new 7040SU with hydro shuttle an it lifts the bales no prob an pulls the 4 bale hay trailer no prob.

 

[TomSeller]

With similar pricing and Kubota being the higher end tractor, I don't see any choice but the Kubota. Kubota's hold their value very well, even in Green country.

 

[unclebilly]

Looks like I am going with Kubota. The JD dealer agree to honor their original price while I was on my way back to the Kubota dealer to strike a deal. My wife prefers the Kubota and it is loaded. It has the cold climate cab (100A alternator, rear defrost, rear wiper, weights, air ride seat). Is there anything else I should consider?

 

[TripleR]

How many remotes are you getting, hydraulic top-link, bucket hooks?

 

[dave1949]

3rd function hydraulics for the FEL? I would want this to be ready for a grapple.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Load the rear tires. And I would want 3 sets of hydraulic remotes for the rear, at least for my uses (one set for a grapple, 2 sets for a hydraulic top link and side link).

 

[dave1949]

It seems like there are two approaches to FEL 3rd function control. One is a solenoid switch integrated with the FEL joystick. The other is running lines from rear remotes using one of the built-in, or an add-on, levers to control remotes. Is this correct?

I am wondering which is more user friendly, or if there is much of a difference when using a grapple? The joystick type seems like it would be an easier one-hand operation. The other would be two hands, or moving one hand from joystick to lever as needed.

 

[bigbull338]

my 7040SU has 2 sets of rear remotes.i got lucky that i didnt have to pay an extra $750 for the 2nd set of remotes.

 

[ovrszd]

It seems like there are two approaches to FEL 3rd function control. One is a solenoid switch integrated with the FEL joystick. The other is running lines from rear remotes using one of the built-in, or an add-on, levers to control remotes. Is this correct?

I am wondering which is more user friendly, or if there is much of a difference when using a grapple? The joystick type seems like it would be an easier one-hand operation. The other would be two hands, or moving one hand from joystick to lever as needed.

True 3rd function using an electric over hydraulic valve with the push buttons on the joystick is the most user friendly. I can grip with my Grapple, lift the Grapple and roll the Grapple all at once with one hand.

If buying a new tractor definitely get 3rd function and get at least 2 rear remotes, 3 if you can. You CANNOT have too many hydraulic functions on a utility tractor.

When I have my Grapple on and my hydraulic scarifier box blade with TnT on the rear, I use all three remotes and 3 functions on the joystick.

Also load the rear tires.

Luxuries are radial tires and cast iron centers if affordable.

Another option that 7040/7060 owners seem to love is adding the larger tires from the 8540/8560 tractors.

 

[dave1949]

True 3rd function using an electric over hydraulic valve with the push buttons on the joystick is the most user friendly. I can grip with my Grapple, lift the Grapple and roll the Grapple all at once with one hand.

If buying a new tractor definitely get 3rd function and get at least 2 rear remotes, 3 if you can. You CANNOT have too many hydraulic functions on a utility tractor.

When I have my Grapple on and my hydraulic scarifier box blade with TnT on the rear, I use all three remotes and 3 functions on the joystick.

Also load the rear tires.

Luxuries are radial tires and cast iron centers if affordable.

Another option that 7040/7060 owners seem to love is adding the larger tires from the 8540/8560 tractors.

Thanks, that's the impression I had on 3rd function. I could picture a stump or whatever and wanting to raise/lower, curl/dump the grapple and at the right position, close/open the top clamp. Being able to do that one-handed sounds like a good thing.

A dealer had a 5055e at the fair this summer. I asked him about the integrated joystick, he said he didn't think it was available on the 50xxe's. I didn't follow up to see if he was correct or not.

 

[vtsnowedin]

Thanks, that's the impression I had on 3rd function. I could picture a stump or whatever and wanting to raise/lower, curl/dump the grapple and at the right position, close/open the top clamp. Being able to do that one-handed sounds like a good thing.

A dealer had a 5055e at the fair this summer. I asked him about the integrated joystick, he said he didn't think it was available on the 50xxe's. I didn't follow up to see if he was correct or not.

I believe that is correct or at least it was in 2012. My third function for the loader comes off one of the two rear remotes and is controlled by one of the levers to the right of the operators seat. So you can only do one thing at a time but when you look at it you can't curl the bucket while raising the loader arms so having this function on the joy stick would still be a one function at a time deal. If you need crowd and curl with the thumb all at the same time get a Cat 330.

 

[dave1949]

I believe that is correct or at least it was in 2012. My third function for the loader comes off one of the two rear remotes and is controlled by one of the levers to the right of the operators seat. So you can only do one thing at a time but when you look at it you can't curl the bucket while raising the loader arms so having this function on the joy stick would still be a one function at a time deal. If you need crowd and curl with the thumb all at the same time get a Cat 330.

I neeeed it. :laughing: CAT 330 isn't happening.

I understand what you are saying, the switch still only allows one function at a time: normal FEL motions or grapple clamp.

How do you like your seat-side lever? I'm sure either works fine as far as getting the job done. I guess you could do all at the same time if you had a hand on the joystick and a hand on the side lever?

I'm just trying to assign a pros/cons weight as to how useful this is when comparing the various offerings.

 

[unclebilly]

The 7060 is loaded. It has the cold cab option with the 100a alternator, rear defrost and wiper. It has the better radio with CD. it also comes with rear weights and ballasted tires. I added one rear remote so I have 2 total. I considered adding the 3rd remote for the FEL but held off - I can always add this later as needed or use one of my rears as needed. I also got a bale spike and 82" bucket.

My buddies are already teasing me about not going green but shut up when I asked, "what's better - a orange tractor made in Japan or a green tractor made in India?"

 

[DT86]

Sounds great, but we must have pictures!

I may have missed it but which transmission did you get?

I held off on installing third function hydraulics as well because it took about a month for my grapple to be built and delivered. I did however go ahead and include both in the financing.

 

[vtsnowedin]

I neeeed it. :laughing: CAT 330 isn't happening.

I understand what you are saying, the switch still only allows one function at a time: normal FEL motions or grapple clamp.

How do you like your seat-side lever? I'm sure either works fine as far as getting the job done. I guess you could do all at the same time if you had a hand on the joystick and a hand on the side lever?

I'm just trying to assign a pros/cons weight as to how useful this is when comparing the various offerings.

So far I have only used mine for the power angle on the front mounted snow plow. No need for speed or finesse there so I have no complaints. Green made in India is far better then Orange made in Japan or Korea.

 

[art]

When running lines from the rear remote to operate the grapple from time to time there are issues with hoses that are dangling over the axle or not clamped right so they get caught and broken. For those tractors that offer the third function get it!