John Deere 110 Compact TLB

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   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #51  
Mark,
I want the machine soooooo bad I can taste it!!!!! I learned TONS of stuff about it,how they designed it,how secretive they were when they were building it,how they tested it.......oooohhh............just gives me the chills thinkin' about it.The whole trip to Vegas was worth it because of the time I was able to spend w/the guy,when would you have that chance again?The skid plate makes total sense,and I have to say that after looking and talking to the engineer there is definetly no other compact TLB on the market that is like this machine....I can't wait to get it!
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #52  
I've recently ordered a 110 with all the options,55 amp alternator, 3 spool scv w/diverter, 4 in 1 bucket, 7 spool backhoe grp., 20'' quick coupler bucket, rear worklights, 3 pt. hitch, drawbar, freight and setup. The dealer can't as yet order the hydralic thumb as it is not being offered, though the broucher shows one on a machine. I contacted weldco-beales and they can sell me one direct for $1300. after they get the ok from Deere. This sounds like a lot of money. My question is because the dealer has taken my equipment in on trade should I be expected to pay retail across the board. I feel that I was given a fair price for my trades. About 3-5 thou shy of perfect. I think they've got the stuff sold already. So I don't see that the dealer is getting stuck with any liabilities. I'm really not sure on how all this business works. I started second guessing myself when I saw the same tractor being priced at $40,500 according to what is being posted here. I need a lesson. Can anyone explain and offer a possible strategy to move on with since the total is close to 50. The way I see it I'm paying the same prices that are listed on the JD configurator. Can anyone help?
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #53  
Bushy,
A few questions first....did you negotiate a price before you traded your stuff in,what did you trade in(make,model,hours,and condition)and how much were you given for your trade.Without knowing anything about the situation it sounds like you are getting hosed,did you get any other prices from other dealers,if you did play the pricing against your dealers price.I priced my 110 out at 4 different dealers and was shocked at the differences in pricing for the exact same machine.If they have allready sold your stuff I'm not sure if you have any leverage w/ the dealer,but I would call and try negotiate a lower price,if that doesn't work threaten to cancel your order and ask for your money from the sale of your other equipment, it really sounds like you are between a rock and a hard place.About the thumb,$1300 sounds like a good price to me,I asked weldco-beales about it a month ago and they didn't have it listed for the 110 yet,but they knew they would.I posted the pricing on my 110 under "final price for 110tlb".Hope this helps,let us know what happens and good luck!
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #54  
Bushy,

I'm excited for you...as most of the guys reading this.

I used to be a dealer (3 dealerships) and sell equipment...9 years. Family owned business.

The dealer would like to deal in LIST $$ (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price -or- MRSP). Depending on the equipment the base unit will typically have a LIST price that allows them to have a markup of 18 to 22%, plus A & H (Assembly and Handling) and any freight/taxes. The accessories, or add-ons, will typically have a 5% higher margin than the base unit. This, what seems to be a lot of profit, is not what the dealer will end up making on the deal. There is something called and "over allowance" for trade-ins. If you were to buy it outright...without a trade...(when you begin to ask prices the salesman will first ask what you have to trade in before he begins dealing)...you can usually get them to give you a pretty good discount. The "over allowance" gives the dealer the ability to make it "look" like you are getting a good trade price for your unit. The reality is, when they "book" the trade-in they will adjust the allowance to you by the "over-allowance". You don't know this is being done.

Here's how it works (example):

New JD 110 TLB (Total W/frt, etc) LIST $50,000
Less:
Trade-in Allowance < 20,000 > = Net Cash ("Boot") Difference $30,000 paid to dealer

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Dealer COST $40,000 less 30,000 paid
"Hard Cash" invested in Trade-In by dealer of $10,000

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Dealer "Booking" of Trade-In:
Dealer Trade-In Allowance to Customer $20,000 Less "Over-Allowance" (not known by customer) < 6,000 > = Net "Booking" of the trade-in by dealer of $14,000

But the dealer's "Hard Cash" in trade-in is... $10,000 leaving a Gross Profit to Dealer on sale of JD110 of $4,000
(Notice that this is only a %10 Gross Profit)

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Now the Dealer has to sell the trade-in. He can easily put it on his lot and ask $18,000 to 20,000 for it without offending you and have a $4,000 to 6,000 markup to "deal" with the next customer who may want to buy it. Typically, used equipment sales has the POTENTIAL to be more profitable than the new sale. You see, from JD dealer to JD dealer, the cost of the new equipment is nearly the same.....but used equipment can be costed at virtually anything! ! This depends on how well the deal goes on the new!

The dealer may get a "volume" discount or rebate from the factory on the new equipment which augments...or is the dealer's profit.

Remember, the dealer has a lot of costs/expenses to cover running a dealership. Rent, interest, payroll, taxes, utilities, advertising, repairs, insurance, on...and...on. What seems like a big margin on sales (service 65%, parts 45%, new equipment 10%, and used equipment 15%) the typical "Net Profit" is only around 1 - 3% of sales, if they are lucky or good at what they do. They have to work on volume and provide good customer service.

Price is important to you, of course, but your relationship with the dealership should "weigh-in" around 70% of your decision. When the time comes...and it ALWAYS does...you will need a strong and responsive dealer to go back to when you need parts and service or to get you next piece of equipment.

Good Luck, and enjoy your new JD110 .... I, too, would like to get one .... so keep us up-to-date on the status.

- Dave
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #55  
Dear Fellows, Thanks for the feed back on " How this Business Works ". One of the saving graces of this whole experience is that I trust Deere's long history of producing well engineered products. The 110, I'm sure will do all that I need it to do, allow versitility and pan out to be a good investment when I look at the big picture. Thanks for the detailed explaination and the posing of questions that made me think rather than allow my emotions to dictate. One thing I am striving for is to feel as if I received a good deal. Kind of a face saving device. As well, I want to promote Commerce and good standing in the community. I don't want to be played nor to have played anyone! I will keep you all posted as things develop here. I'm giving the dealer a little rest from my relentless inquires. If you don't hear from me I just might be out wearing out some dirt. Thanks again Bush.
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #56  
This is a little late, but I'm replying to MChalkey's thoughts on the 25HP EF-1. Don't go by the specs. Two years ago I rented a gas EF-1 for a day to backfill dirt into some shallow trenches and holes we had dug for a project. The loader would not lift a heaping full bucket of dirt. It would stall the motor trying. I am not saying it was not an impressive buggy for the money, it was. But it was underpowered for its loader.
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #57  
Any word on went the 110 is going to be shipped from the factory? The dealer originally told me it would be shipped on the 19th of Apr. the new date given was the 7th of May. How there is some type of unexplained hold. What's up? Anyone know anything? Bushy
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #58  
I was told that mine would be shipped on the 25th of April...my dealer called last week to say that the date had been pushed back and that I would have my 110 the week of the 13th of May,needless to say I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #59  
I just got off the line with the John Deere dealer. He said that the 110s are on hold due to a problem with the brakes. The salesman didn't know the specific nature of the problem. Has anyone heard what's up?
 
   / John Deere 110 Compact TLB #60  
Bushy,
I really hope that is not true,when I was in Vegas at the con ex show I spoke to the head engineer of the 110 and he gave me his card,I'm gonna give him a call tomorrow and find out what the deal is.It sounds like that may not be true though because Joereal saw a new 110 at a dealer in Maine,I also called the dealer just to see how it was setup and priced,so hopefully my call to the engineer will answer some questions.
 
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