GManBart
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Far from it...that cracked me up. Too easy!
John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices
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Far from it...that cracked me up. Too easy!
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When in doubt cheap shot folks.Great advice.
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We better set up camp here in the Midwest and get ready for the invasion.It,s not to far across lake Michigan I will come and pick you up.LOL
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Hey Harrison,
I don't blame you for giving up on this thread, hopefully you start a new one, this one is toast....
(For those of you who don't know who Harrison is, he is the OP of this thread :laughing
I don't blame you for giving up on this thread, hopefully you start a new one, this one is toast....
(For those of you who don't know who Harrison is, he is the OP of this thread :laughing
GManBart
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Hey Harrison,
I don't blame you for giving up on this thread, hopefully you start a new one, this one is toast....
(For those of you who don't know who Harrison is, he is the OP of this thread :laughing
He's negotiating price on a different brand tractor, so this is sort of a moot point now.
eagle107
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Below is a list some of the higher grade components used on the John Deere 4x20 series tractors. Please feel free to pick them part. Hopefully some will find the same information for the Kubota tractors. I choose John Deere because I have a 4520. If LS does truly have just as good components, it would be nice to see what they are.
Some of the higher grade components on the John Deere 4120 tractor:
1. John Deere 400X and 400CX Loaders
4. Sauer-Danfoss eHydro transmission (very high quality) providing the following components and standard features:
6. Twin touch low effort pedals has electronic sensors that tells the tractor what you want it to do; is more sensitive than mechanical linkage, with less wear.
7. Sealed solid state controller monitors ground speed, rpm and transmission ranges and make instance decisions for power and control of the tractor.
8. Planetary final drive with 8 bolt rear axles put more torque to the rear wheels.
9. 70A Alternator (12 volt, amp)
10. John Deere 2.4L PowerTech M Series Engine (the 4520 and 4720 have the more advanced PowerTech E Engine):
Full 400CX Self-leveling Loader Specs for Model 4120/4320/4520/4720
1. Rated pressure, psi 2500
2. Bucket weight, lb (kg) 238 (108)
3. Measured at pivot (U) 2194lbs (997)
4. Measured at 500 mm ahead of pivot (V) 2339lbs (1063)
5. Lift capacity at 59 in. (1500 mm), lb (kg) ---
Some of the higher grade components on the John Deere 4120 tractor:
1. John Deere 400X and 400CX Loaders
a. The boom and bucket cylinder rod are a nitride (black) rod giving improved corrosion resistance, versus a standard chromed cylinder rod.
b. John Deere made loader mast is made from cast iron and metal is placed in the areas where it is needed to provide strength and durability.
c. John Deere compact loaders use the same two-wire braid, high-pressure hydraulic hose found on larger loaders and added reliability and longer life.
d. The loader fittings used to connect the hoses to the hydraulic cylinders and hydraulic lines utilize O-ring face seal fittings to virtually eliminate oil leaks.
2. The John Deere 4x20 series UT transaxles with are made by Transaxle Manufacturing of America Corp in Rock Hill, S.C. which is a joint venture with Kanzaki b. John Deere made loader mast is made from cast iron and metal is placed in the areas where it is needed to provide strength and durability.
c. John Deere compact loaders use the same two-wire braid, high-pressure hydraulic hose found on larger loaders and added reliability and longer life.
d. The loader fittings used to connect the hoses to the hydraulic cylinders and hydraulic lines utilize O-ring face seal fittings to virtually eliminate oil leaks.
Kokyukoki Manufacturing Co that manufacturers very high quality transmissions
3. The John Deere 4x20 series front axle is made by Spicer4. Sauer-Danfoss eHydro transmission (very high quality) providing the following components and standard features:
a. Large forged trunnion shaft with larger support bearings
b. Center section made from ductile iron
c. Pressure side filtration instead of a suction filtration system
d. LoadMatch which matches hydro with engine load - give maximizes drive torque and reduces ground stalls.
e. The cuise control electronically measures ground speed and automatically adjusts uphill climing or downhill decents.
f. SpeedMatch which set the speed for a fully depresser pedal especiall good on rough terrian.
g. MotionMatch adjust for fast or slower motion changes depending on the work being done.
5. 4WD can be engaged and disengaged on-the-gob. Center section made from ductile iron
c. Pressure side filtration instead of a suction filtration system
d. LoadMatch which matches hydro with engine load - give maximizes drive torque and reduces ground stalls.
e. The cuise control electronically measures ground speed and automatically adjusts uphill climing or downhill decents.
f. SpeedMatch which set the speed for a fully depresser pedal especiall good on rough terrian.
g. MotionMatch adjust for fast or slower motion changes depending on the work being done.
6. Twin touch low effort pedals has electronic sensors that tells the tractor what you want it to do; is more sensitive than mechanical linkage, with less wear.
7. Sealed solid state controller monitors ground speed, rpm and transmission ranges and make instance decisions for power and control of the tractor.
8. Planetary final drive with 8 bolt rear axles put more torque to the rear wheels.
9. 70A Alternator (12 volt, amp)
10. John Deere 2.4L PowerTech M Series Engine (the 4520 and 4720 have the more advanced PowerTech E Engine):
a. Engine HP (kW) - gross = 43HP
b. PTO HP Gear/HST = 37HP/35HP
c. Engine Torque @ rated speed = 95ft./lb. (128.8N/m)
b. PTO HP Gear/HST = 37HP/35HP
c. Engine Torque @ rated speed = 95ft./lb. (128.8N/m)
i. provides 36% more torque rise
1. Peak torque/rate engine torque = 129lb-ft/95lb-ft = 1.356 or 36% torque rise (Under load, tractors are torque driven not horsepower)
ii. Torque rise, or torque reserve, is a measure of lugging ability (low-end power) when the going gets tough and the engine revs down.
iii. In a tractor torque id key versus the comparable tractor engine HP ranges.
iii. In a tractor torque id key versus the comparable tractor engine HP ranges.
d. Cylinders = 4
e. Rated engine speed = 2400rpm
g. Aspiration = turbo
i. Forged-steel connecting rods
j. Cast-in-block cylinder design for good cooling and long life
k. Hydraulic lifters are quieter and require no adjustment
l. Heavy-duty crankshaft provides more bearing surface area for added durability
m. Direct fuel injection:
e. Rated engine speed = 2400rpm
i. Lower rated speed for 540 rpm PTO operation means better fuel economy, less noise and vibration, and longer overall engine life.
f. Displacement = 148.9cu. in. (more torque - torque = work)g. Aspiration = turbo
i. Fixed Geometry Turbocharger - In turbocharged engines, the air is pre-compressed. Due to the higher pressure, more air is supplied into the combustion chamber allowing a corresponding increase in fuel injection, which results in greater engine output.
h. Six-rib poly-Vee drive belt with automatic tensionersi. Forged-steel connecting rods
j. Cast-in-block cylinder design for good cooling and long life
k. Hydraulic lifters are quieter and require no adjustment
l. Heavy-duty crankshaft provides more bearing surface area for added durability
m. Direct fuel injection:
i. Improves starting
ii. Injects fuel directly on top of pistons for more efficient combustion
iii. Develops more horsepower per gallon of fuel
iv. Glow plugs (cold starting aid)
ii. Injects fuel directly on top of pistons for more efficient combustion
iii. Develops more horsepower per gallon of fuel
iv. Glow plugs (cold starting aid)
n. Mechanical Unit Pump (MPU) - This system uses camshaft driven MUP's, connected to the injectors by a short fuel line. This short fuel line between the unit pumps and the injectors helps to alleviate after-injection, secondary injection, and other injection abnormalities.
Full 400CX Self-leveling Loader Specs for Model 4120/4320/4520/4720
1. Rated pressure, psi 2500
2. Bucket weight, lb (kg) 238 (108)
3. Measured at pivot (U) 2194lbs (997)
4. Measured at 500 mm ahead of pivot (V) 2339lbs (1063)
5. Lift capacity at 59 in. (1500 mm), lb (kg) ---
a. Measured at pivot (W) 2627 (1194)
b. Measured at 500 mm ahead of pivot (X) 2576 (1171)
6. Boom breakout force, lbf (kgf) ---b. Measured at 500 mm ahead of pivot (X) 2576 (1171)
a. Measured at pivot (Y) 3512 (1593)
b. Measured at 500 mm ahead of pivot (Z) 3159 (1433)
7. Bucket rollback force capacity, lbf (kgf) ---b. Measured at 500 mm ahead of pivot (Z) 3159 (1433)
a. At maximum height (VV) 3228 (1464)
b. At 59-in. (1500-mm) lift height (XX) 4851 (2201)
c. At ground-level line (ZZ) 4577 (2077)
8. Dimensions ---b. At 59-in. (1500-mm) lift height (XX) 4851 (2201)
c. At ground-level line (ZZ) 4577 (2077)
a. Maximum lift height, in. (mm) (A) 110.9 (2817)
b. At full height - bucket level, in. (mm) (B) 102.8 (2612)
c. At full height - bucket dumped, in. (mm) (C) 87 (2210)
d. Overall length (I+F), ft (m) 11.51 (3.511)
e. Digging depth, in. (mm) (H) 9.6 (244)
9. Reach ---b. At full height - bucket level, in. (mm) (B) 102.8 (2612)
c. At full height - bucket dumped, in. (mm) (C) 87 (2210)
d. Overall length (I+F), ft (m) 11.51 (3.511)
e. Digging depth, in. (mm) (H) 9.6 (244)
a. At max. height, in. (mm) (D) 27.5 (699)
b. At ground level - bucket level, in. (mm) (F) 66.7 (1695)
10. Bucket angle ---b. At ground level - bucket level, in. (mm) (F) 66.7 (1695)
a. Dump angle, degrees (E) 45
b. Rollback angle, degrees (G) 41
11. Cycle times ---b. Rollback angle, degrees (G) 41
a. Loader raise, seconds 3.67
b. Loader lower, seconds 2.47
c. Bucket dump, seconds 1.6
d. Bucket rollback, seconds 1.1
b. Loader lower, seconds 2.47
c. Bucket dump, seconds 1.6
d. Bucket rollback, seconds 1.1
gunmonkeyintl
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Well played, Arlen. As a (mostly) passive observer to this debate, that is exactly what I was looking to hear from the JD-Is-Worth-The-Premium side. I don't have a dog in the fight since I already bought a tractor, am confident it will suit my needs, and have no need to convince others to buy the same one I did (ahemBart). But, I did find DocDiesel's straw-man arguments frustrating. He and several others were claiming that their JDs were inherantly better than everyone else's junk, that we all should know it, and refused to substatiate the claim in any way. You, on the other hand, provided several tangible features that someone may, or may not be willing to pay extra for. There are clearly feature differences, and it is an individual judgement call whether they are worth the price difference or not. That is probably as close to settled as the debate can be.
Of course, there will probably always be the brand-baiters who will never be satisfied with what they bought unless they can convince everyone else that they should have made the same choice.
