Just over a week away from a B7800, now a snag...

[aesanders]

According to information provided by Kubota on their on-line comparison charts, the John Deere 3120 is closest for comparison to the B7800/B3030 and the JD 2520 compares to the Kubota 2630.

How can you compare 1 tractor that weighs around 1850 lb's to one that weighs 2900 lb's. I don't care what Kubota's marketing department says, the b3030 and JD 3120 are completly different machines that will excel at completely different tasks.

 

[aesanders]

If price is the only factor, a B2630 Kubota will out perform a JD2520. It is just a bigger, more capable machine. The slight advantage that the 2520 has in horsepower and hydraulic output is offset by the fact that the Kubota loader and 3PTH have more capacity than the JD. Nobody complains that the Kubota hydraulics are lacking so the JD advantage is irrelevant. A 3 speed trans is an advantage over a 2 speed. Higher ground clearance, bigger tires... advantage Kubota. Two pedal HST vs. treadle...personal choice. Brakes on the left side... Advantage, JD. It all depends on what is important to YOU, the guy that is trading his hard earned dollars for a tool-toy(?) that will make work easier, more fun? Either one will do the job. Just try to make a decision that you will be happy with for many years. You can't go wrong with either. Nothing wrong with a B7800, just lack of postion control, which is only important if you do a lot of 3PTH work.

I was for many years, and still am a JD fan. I have had JD garden tractors for 25 years. I still have a JD 318. My brother, who makes his living doing landscaping, is a Kubota man. When I was tractor shopping I looked at both. At the time a Kubota B3030 seemed like the best choice for me. I have no regrets. If JD had a comparable model at a comparable price I would probably have a green tractor instead of orange. I consider them both to be equal in quality and value. It just depends on what best suits your needs.

And just how is the Kubota B2630 larger and more able to outperform a JD 2520?

Last I checked the JD weighs more 1852# to 1786#, and has a larger engine 81.2 cc to 68.5. Will also run at lower RPM to handle pto attachment.

Yes the Kubota has some advantages over the Deere in Loader Capacity and 3ph capacity. But the Deere has some advantages in it's own right. Both are fine machines, but to say one is clearly better is not accurate. It all depends on the use the machine will get.

I have rarely needed more 3ph or loader requirements than what the 2320/2520 tractor will handle. When I have needed more, I needed more than what the b2630/b3030 could handle. None of these discussed tractors would be able to handle round bales effiecently (so I feed my horses small square bales) or move the 3000# pallet of stone that is in my back yard. So it really depends on what you will be using the machine for.

 

[Danilo]

Hard to imagine that you'd need to rev the 7800 more than the lower powered 2520. If anything it would be the other way around.

It may be hard to believe, it was strange for me as well, but the deere's pump system is different that the kubota's. Meaning, the deere has more pump flow at a lower rpm. This results in a lower engine speed when using the impliments like the loader/BH.

 

[IslandTractor]

It may be hard to believe, it was strange for me as well, but the deere's pump system is different that the kubota's. Meaning, the deere has more pump flow at a lower rpm. This results in a lower engine speed when using the impliments like the loader/BH.

I'll take your word for it but the ultimate capacity must still be higher (at higher RPMs) for the bigger engine with slightly higher hydraulic flow per minute. Most of us don't operate the FEL at PTO RPMs so I guess it comes down to comparing "normal" vs "maximum" output.

 

[ducati996]

Yes the Kubota has some advantages over the Deere in Loader Capacity and 3ph capacity.

I totally agree with Aesanders - and I will add Im totally suspect of Kubotas claim of better performance in the hydrolic arena on the B2630, when the PSI and flow rating is dead even between the two (talking the JD 2520 and kubotas B2630 only). Even the cylinder measurement on the FEL are too close to make that much of a difference. Im willing to bet Deeres spec's are too low as published. And I would agree the JD 3120 is way too much machine for the B2630/3030 or 7800. Kubota is not doing there machines justice by comparing a machine that is so much bigger and superior in hydrolic spec & weight. Thats why these competitive comparisons posted by the mfg are usually useless IMHO. They usually have a biased or inaccurate specification to make the brand look better, but in this case it just makes Kubotas offering look weak (which it is not in anyway), just a bad marketing Snafu. This is not a brand bash in anyway

 

[ducati996]

I'll take your word for it but the ultimate capacity must still be higher (at higher RPMs) for the bigger engine with slightly higher hydraulic flow per minute. Most of us don't operate the FEL at PTO RPMs so I guess it comes down to comparing "normal" vs "maximum" output.

Actually the 2520 has the flow advantage over the B2630/3030 & 7800

Kubota B2630 and B3030 Series, Tractor Specifications

B2630
Lift capacity @ lift point 2139 lbs.
Lift capacity @ 24" behind LP 1300 lbs

difference of 839 lbs - not sure what this means but there is a big variance between the two


Deere 2520

Lift Capacity (24-in. behind link arms), lb. 1150
Lift Capacity @ lift link ends, lb. 1433

difference 283 lbs - is this a good thing? looks less than Kubotas if they are measuring from the same points

Im not sure what Kubota is defining the lift point as or if its even useful since everything is attached at the link ends - but i think both show 24" as the most real life usage. I know the Deere will lift more than the 1150 rated without breaking a sweat, but the difference based on the two spec's is only 150 lbs. Im comfortable in saying from actual daily usuage that there is no gap between the spec's published.

I also notice the specifications are no longer posted on Kubotas website - I know this isnt conspiracy in the making, just wanted to refer to them.

Duc

 

[AB4D]

How can you compare 1 tractor that weighs around 1850 lb's to one that weighs 2900 lb's. I don't care what Kubota's marketing department says, the b3030 and JD 3120 are completly different machines that will excel at completely different tasks.

I wasn't comparing anything. I was just providing some information presented by Kubota about what they believe are comparable tractors. If you have a problem with the comparison, take it up with Kubota.

 

[aesanders]

Seems like that is what I did. Blamed it on Kubota's marketing...

Those two tractors are not at all alike and should not be compared as apples to apples.

 

[Glowplug]

I also notice the specifications are no longer posted on Kubotas website - I know this isnt conspiracy in the making, just wanted to refer to them.

I just checked out the website and the specs state the 2630 lift capacity is 2140# at lift point and 1676# 24" from LP.

Of course, I do believe this is all a moot point since he is not really looking at the 2630 but the 7800. Also, a couple hundred pounds is probably splitting hairs. That would be the least of my considerations in choosing a tractor.

 

[wushaw]

I don't see anybody pushing position control. If you have ever had it you wouldn't want to be without it no matter who makes it.