just when you thought you knew what stupid was

[MickeyDBC]

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Back when Reagan killed off a lot of the student aid during a recession I went to work for the Texas Department of Corrections to pay my way through college. That being said, I am not a huge fan of inmates but... When you have thousands of people living in very close quarters masks are not a good remedy. People sleep, eat, shower, and work together and three of those are hard to do while wearing a mask. We often had three people living in a 5' x 9' cell - three bunks and a toilet and there is no way that masks would keep people from getting infected. They might slow it down a little if worn in hallways, work, and dayrooms, but you have too many people living too close together. Add in that a lot of them have pre-existing conditions and many are as dumb as a box of hammers, it is a no win situation.

 

[fatjay]

To further the iny and outy confusion, can the virus be air born on its own or does it have to be on a moisture molecule?

Previously it was thought to be aerosol, or moisture molicule. However there are numerous reports that have been popping up that it's airborne, which doesn't require the moisture molecule. Official stance has it still aerosol, but that may change.

Could COVID-19 be airborne, and if so how do we protect ourselves? | Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance

 

[RSR]

Actually I was asking the question to RSR. But thanks.

What deezler said is correct.

 

[RSR]

To further the iny and outy confusion, can the virus be air born on its own or does it have to be on a moisture molecule?

The virus has to be "shed" from the body somehow. It doesn't just pop out into the air on its own. This usually occurs when it is enveloped in mucus, saliva, etc. that gets expelled during breathing/talking/coughing/sneezing.

That moisture around it can then evaporate, leaving the virus and any other non water-based matter. This is referred to as the "non-volatile droplet nuclei" to use the technical description.

This part, which may include the virus, is usually very small (around 1 micron or less), and can stay airborne for hours and days. Initial work has shown the virus can stay infectious in this state for up to a couple of hours.

The primary point of a mask/face covering is to stop the droplet when it is larger (before it evaporates) as it is expelled. Once it evaporates (which happens on the order of seconds, depending on ambient humidity), it is so small that most face coverings will not stop you from inhaling it.

That's why it's important that everyone wears face coverings. Mine protects you (if I'm sick) and yours protects me (if you're sick). If we all wear one, we are all protected. If just one person doesn't wear one (and they are sick) then everyone is at risk of infection.

I think this is tough for some to wrap their head around because we are used to thinking of masks as protecting only ourselves from harmful things int the air. That's not how the physics of face coverings work for preventing pandemic spread, though.

As quoted in the above peer-reviewed article, not all face coverings are the same. A bandana with an opening at the bottom, or gaps all around your face just means the droplets can escape through that route (although some will still impact the face covering stopping a few). That's why some face coverings are marginally effective.

Similarly, as noted, open weave patterns (like fleece) can cause the large droplets to break up into smaller ones, which is not good. Don't wear a fleece mask. Wear a tight weave material that seals around your face/nose as much as possible.

 

[Ford850]

Luckily the virus is thinner skinned than RSR.

 

[two_bit_score]

Here's the same argument applied to you....

If you're going to spout that you live in Texas but won't post your real name and address, you have lost all credibility.

Wrong because I’m not claiming to be an expert based on where I live. Man, sometimes you are so stupid.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I actually wonder how much more damage is being done in family units and at home without masks. I have noticed without doubt, that people seem to somehow let down their guard, or feel safe, around family, extended family and friends.

It woulddn't surprise me at all, because Government so often does not address the real problems. Take gun violence for instance.

 

[Citydude]

The virus has to be "shed" from the body somehow. It doesn't just pop out into the air on its own. This usually occurs when it is enveloped in mucus, saliva, etc. that gets expelled during breathing/talking/coughing/sneezing.

That moisture around it can then evaporate, leaving the virus and any other non water-based matter. This is referred to as the "non-volatile droplet nuclei" to use the technical description.

This part, which may include the virus, is usually very small (around 1 micron or less), and can stay airborne for hours and days. Initial work has shown the virus can stay infectious in this state for up to a couple of hours.

The primary point of a mask/face covering is to stop the droplet when it is larger (before it evaporates) as it is expelled. Once it evaporates (which happens on the order of seconds, depending on ambient humidity), it is so small that most face coverings will not stop you from inhaling it.

That's why it's important that everyone wears face coverings. Mine protects you (if I'm sick) and yours protects me (if you're sick). If we all wear one, we are all protected. If just one person doesn't wear one (and they are sick) then everyone is at risk of infection.

I think this is tough for some to wrap their head around because we are used to thinking of masks as protecting only ourselves from harmful things int the air. That's not how the physics of face coverings work for preventing pandemic spread, though.

As quoted in the above peer-reviewed article, not all face coverings are the same. A bandana with an opening at the bottom, or gaps all around your face just means the droplets can escape through that route (although some will still impact the face covering stopping a few). That's why some face coverings are marginally effective.

Similarly, as noted, open weave patterns (like fleece) can cause the large droplets to break up into smaller ones, which is not good. Don't wear a fleece mask. Wear a tight weave material that seals around your face/nose as much as possible.

Thanks for the reply. As I’ve posted before I respect business owners who request masks and wear one.

I push back on mask wearing when society seems to think we need them while walking outdoors on trails or even more when gardening in their own garden. Both examples I’ve witnessed. For lack of a better term, I deem these people not to bright and can’t think for themselves.

 

[Industrial Toys]

That is more and more just about everyone, the way I see things.

 

[CalG]

To some, It is just as easy as wearing a mask:

meanwhile:

• Added nearly 6 trillion to the national debt
• Laid-off or furloughed 50 million workers
• Placed 60 million on food stamps
• Gone from 3.5%to 14.7% unemployment
• Crippled the petroleum industry
• Ruined the tourism industry
• Bankrupted the service industry
• Caused an impending meat and protein crisis
• Threatened, fined, and arrested church leaders
• Exacerbated mental health problems
• Shut down schools and colleges
• Given unbridled power to unelected officials
• Increased suicides higher than COVID deaths
• Delayed surgeries and treatments for profound illnesses
• Infringed upon countless important civil liberties
• Placed 300 million Americans on house arrest

 

[Industrial Toys]

And that's just ONE country!

Don't forget the possibly Billions in Damage caused by Peaceful Protests, that one could debate were enabled by the restlessness caused by the Pandemic.

 

[Citydude]

To some, It is just as easy as wearing a mask:

meanwhile:

• Added nearly 6 trillion to the national debt
• Laid-off or furloughed 50 million workers
• Placed 60 million on food stamps
• Gone from 3.5%to 14.7% unemployment
• Crippled the petroleum industry
• Ruined the tourism industry
• Bankrupted the service industry
• Caused an impending meat and protein crisis
• Threatened, fined, and arrested church leaders
• Exacerbated mental health problems
• Shut down schools and colleges
• Given unbridled power to unelected officials
• Increased suicides higher than COVID deaths
• Delayed surgeries and treatments for profound illnesses
• Infringed upon countless important civil liberties
• Placed 300 million Americans on house arrest

Good point. Maybe we should have mandated masks vs the lockdowns?

 

[MossRoad]

James Baxter
105 Shary Creek Ln.
Branson, Mo. 65616

How is that for cred?

You earned it! :thumbsup:

 

[MossRoad]

Wrong because I’m not claiming to be an expert based on where I live. Man, sometimes you are so stupid.

You claim to live in Texas. Why would anyone believe that?
He claims to be a scientist. Why would anyone believe that?
I claim to have worked in IT for 30 years. Why would anyone believe that?

It's called taking one's word for something when they say it rather than trying to discredit them when you disagree.

 

[ovrszd]

James Baxter
105 Shary Creek Ln.
Branson, Mo. 65616

How is that for cred?

Much more than any others have offered.

 

[/pine]

Remember what Abraham Lincoln said...:"If it's on the Internet it must be true"

 

[RSR]

Thanks for the reply. As I’ve posted before I respect business owners who request masks and wear one.

I push back on mask wearing when society seems to think we need them while walking outdoors on trails or even more when gardening in their own garden. Both examples I’ve witnessed. For lack of a better term, I deem these people not to bright and can’t think for themselves.

Yeah, some common sense is definitely needed.

My personal approach is as follows:

1) Any time I'm indoors, period. Aerosolized droplets can float much farther than 6 feet, and not knowing the air exchange rate of a room, they can build up to high levels of concentration.

2) If I'm outdoors, and can maintain 6 feet separation (to prevent direct large droplet impact) then I don't worry about wearing one. The concentration of aerosols is going to be extremely low due to the open envirnment. This is a slippery area though. If I'm standing 10 feet away talking to only one person, no worries. If I'm participating in any sort of activity where 6 foot contact may occasionally occur (e.g., at a gathering with people walking around and mingling) then I keep it on.

3) If I'm by myself, then there is no point. There's no one around me to protect.

4) I do sometimes wear one in the car, but for a different reason. Once I put a mask on (e.g., prior to entering a store) I leave it on until I get back home, to avoid potentially infecting myself by touching the outside, and then, say, picking my nose. When I get home, I take it off by the strings/ear loops, and it goes straight into the washing machine, and then I wash my hands.

 

[Citydude]

Yeah, some common sense is definitely needed.

My personal approach is as follows:

1) Any time I'm indoors, period. Aerosolized droplets can float much farther than 6 feet, and not knowing the air exchange rate of a room, they can build up to high levels of concentration.

2) If I'm outdoors, and can maintain 6 feet separation (to prevent direct large droplet impact) then I don't worry about wearing one. The concentration of aerosols is going to be extremely low due to the open envirnment. This is a slippery area though. If I'm standing 10 feet away talking to only one person, no worries. If I'm participating in any sort of activity where 6 foot contact may occasionally occur (e.g., at a gathering with people walking around and mingling) then I keep it on.

3) If I'm by myself, then there is no point. There's no one around me to protect.

4) I do sometimes wear one in the car, but for a different reason. Once I put a mask on (e.g., prior to entering a store) I leave it on until I get back home, to avoid potentially infecting myself by touching the outside, and then, say, picking my nose. When I get home, I take it off by the strings/ear loops, and it goes straight into the washing machine, and then I wash my hands.

You had me until doing laundry.....I’m banned from that chore.

 

[Fuddy1952]

My farts always have a moisture content. Does that mean I have to wear two masks and if so what do I attach the loops to?

 

[MossRoad]

Remember what Abraham Lincoln said...:"If it's on the Internet it must be true"

It's how they caught John Wikes Booth.