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/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #421  
I often quote this statement as well. That why I "DO" research on airborne transport of COVID-19. How about you, or others?

So how about sharing some of the protocols and testing methods you used...is there anything like ASTM for what you were doing?
Did you randomly select masks from the general public and market retailers etc?

What type of equipment did you use to emulate breathing, coughing, sneezing etc...? what was used to monitor such...??
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #422  
Really. Where did each states health plan come from? The governors of that state. They are responsible.

Many if not most governors were BEGGING for a federal plan and assistance. That way, they are off the hook with their constituents, who then aren't able to simply cross state lines and experience completely different protocols. It just makes more sense during a national emergency to have national leadership. Amazing how easy it is for you guys to absolve this guy of everything. He's failed you.

/pine, thats exactly what I'm talking about. People did not take it seriously. Because their president, his team, and his republican governor sycophants also did not take it seriously. Leadership starts at the top. I for one, am very glad to have an intelligent governor who followed scientific guidance.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #423  
Many if not most governors were BEGGING for a federal plan and assistance. That way, they are off the hook with their constituents, who then aren't able to simply cross state lines and experience completely different protocols. It just makes more sense during a national emergency to have national leadership. Amazing how easy it is for you guys to absolve this guy of everything. He's failed you.

/pine, thats exactly what I'm talking about. People did not take it seriously. Because their president, his team, and his republican governor sycophants also did not take it seriously. Leadership starts at the top. I for one, am very glad to have an intelligent governor who followed scientific guidance.

Your heading down a political rat hole.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #424  
Your heading down a political rat hole.

Yeah, sorry. I'll stop. It's hard not to be a bit angry at how poorly this has all been handled, but I don't want to derail this semi-scientific thread (ha) into a political sh!tstorm.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #425  
Many if not most governors were BEGGING for a federal plan and assistance. That way, they are off the hook with their constituents, who then aren't able to simply cross state lines and experience completely different protocols. It just makes more sense during a national emergency to have national leadership. Amazing how easy it is for you guys to absolve this guy of everything. He's failed you.

/pine, thats exactly what I'm talking about. People did not take it seriously. Because their president, his team, and his republican governor sycophants also did not take it seriously. Leadership starts at the top. I for one, am very glad to have an intelligent governor who followed scientific guidance.

The concerning part to me is that you may well consider your ability to write the above sentiments as your privilege granted to you by your government.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #426  
Yeah, sorry. I'll stop. It's hard not to be a bit angry at how poorly this has all been handled, but I don't want to derail this semi-scientific thread (ha) into a political sh!tstorm.

I am angry. Almost 200,000 Americans have died, we have a real unemployment rate of about 20%, we are going to add another Ten Trillion dollars to the deficit, and many people have or are going to lose their livelihoods, homes, and dreams. Only a couple of other third world "s" hole countries have handled it worse than we have. American exceptionalism has turned into exceptional ineptitude and cruelty for no good cause.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #427  
I am angry. Almost 200,000 Americans have died, we have a real unemployment rate of about 20%, we are going to add another Ten Trillion dollars to the deficit, and many people have or are going to lose their livelihoods, homes, and dreams. Only a couple of other third world "s" hole countries have handled it worse than we have. American exceptionalism has turned into exceptional ineptitude and cruelty for no good cause.

There are all sorts of angry people on this thread. One way or another, we will get past this pandemic.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #428  
The concerning part to me is that you may well consider your ability to write the above sentiments as your privilege granted to you by your government.

You're GD right, I'm free to write the above sentiments, because they are how I feel, and also they are an accurate statement of affairs. And the only shred of good news as of late, is that millions of Americans feel like I do, and will vote for change in November. Unless our constitutionally enshrined and basic human RIGHT to vote is trampled upon, expect one **** of a blue wave. You must be kinda lonely up in the great progressive state of Vermont. :p

Better handling of this virus would have led to far fewer deaths, and far less damage to the economy. This is just fact.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #429  
You're GD right, I'm free to write the above sentiments, because they are how I feel, and also they are an accurate statement of affairs. And the only shred of good news as of late, is that millions of Americans feel like I do, and will vote for change in November. Unless our constitutionally enshrined and basic human RIGHT to vote is trampled upon, expect one **** of a blue wave. You must be kinda lonely up in the great progressive state of Vermont. :p

Better handling of this virus would have led to far fewer deaths, and far less damage to the economy. This is just fact.

Your mad as he** and ain’t going to take anymore? What movie was this line from?
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #430  
Many if not most governors were BEGGING for a federal plan and assistance. That way, they are off the hook with their constituents, who then aren't able to simply cross state lines and experience completely different protocols. It just makes more sense during a national emergency to have national leadership. Amazing how easy it is for you guys to absolve this guy of everything. He's failed you.

/pine, thats exactly what I'm talking about. People did not take it seriously. Because their president, his team, and his republican governor sycophants also did not take it seriously. Leadership starts at the top. I for one, am very glad to have an intelligent governor who followed scientific guidance.
You can't be serious...you have a very faulty memory, are blind or just refuse to face the facts...you also obviously don't have a very good grasp of the average American's rationale. (I think it's something in the water up there in MI)...!

It was well after social distancing mandates and advisories were in place before peeps started heeding the leadership...had they listened to and took them (advisories) seriously it may not have gotten so bad...once they (populous) realized they should have listened their only avenue was to start clamoring for masks...which is/was like closing the barn doors after the horses left...i.e., too little too late...and I emphasize the word "little" because that is all the benefit that a person gets from using inferior masks...

The general populous simply did not take the virus seriously regardless of what the powers that be were saying...the unrelated protests and demonstrations are a quintessential example...untold thousands/millions of peeps cared more about protesting and making fools of themselves than they cared about staying healthy...

Trying to blame the carelessness of the general public on a lack of leadership is nothing but a political fabrication of horse manure...it's a cop out and about the lamest excuse there is...peeps are notorious for blaming the gov. for their own lack of rationale...second guessing after the fact is ludicrous...the peeps mostly have themselves to blame not leadership...
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #431  
You're GD right, I'm free to write the above sentiments, because they are how I feel, and also they are an accurate statement of affairs. And the only shred of good news as of late, is that millions of Americans feel like I do, and will vote for change in November. Unless our constitutionally enshrined and basic human RIGHT to vote is trampled upon, expect one **** of a blue wave. You must be kinda lonely up in the great progressive state of Vermont. :p

Better handling of this virus would have led to far fewer deaths, and far less damage to the economy. This is just fact.

What color is the sky in your world?
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #433  
Thanks RSR and all the other intelligent folks chiming in to help continue to remind our fellow citizens about the importance of following scientific guidance on this novel virus. Wearing a mask is easy and simple, just like wearing clothes in public and fastening your seatbelt in your car.

I'm sure the denialists will call this fake news and stay firmly in their confirmation bias bubble, but I actually found this article somewhat relevant:
Pandemic denial: Why some people can't accept Covid-19's realities - CNN

Persistent denial of such simple truth is basically a form of mental illness that requires calm and steady responses.

It's the Global Warming debate all over again. The denialists are not going to believe any data that is contrary to their "opinion" no matter how firm and obvious the data is.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #434  
Unless and until there is real time, real life studies (not laboratory experiments) the science is incomplete and any and all opinions and findings are subjective...

It's the mask nazis that are jumping through hoops wanting and trying to get everyone to believe that their opinions are omniscient which in fact are just subjective opinions based on results from improvised testing and experiments...the only real scientific fact on the matter is that the facts are incomplete as is the science...

IMO...It makes sense to wear a mask when in public if for no other reason than to keep the mask nazis from getting their panties in a bunch...

Just curious...how many have been in a store etc...and seen someone masked or not coughing and sneezing ?

All one has to do is look at teachers, MLB baseball players, health care workers etc., etc......they are all testing positive but they were wearing masks...The zealots would like everyone to think that if you have not been infected and you have been wearing a mask...the mask is the reason...but they don't want to know how many that have been wearing masks have gotten the virus anyway...!

You seem to have overlooked all the numerous explanations...which are true by the way...that wearing the mask protects OTHERS, not you.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #435  
It was well after social distancing mandates and advisories were in place before peeps started heeding the leadership...had they listened to and took them (advisories) seriously it may not have gotten so bad...once they (populous) realized they should have listened their only avenue was to start clamoring for masks...which is/was like closing the barn doors after the horses left...i.e., too little too late...

The general populous simply did not take the virus seriously regardless of what the powers that be were saying...the unrelated protests and demonstrations are a quintessential example...untold thousands/millions of peeps cared more about protesting and making fools of themselves than they cared about staying healthy...

Trying to blame the carelessness of the general public on a lack of leadership is nothing but a political fabrication of horse manure..

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time, bud. So you're saying that we should just blame everyone individually for being careless, and that better leadership and guidance would have had no effect or improvement on our collective behavior? What is the point of government, if not leadership during times of crisis, then?

Stop bringing up the racial justice protests, its a total non-sequitur and red herring. People took to the streets out of justified rage over clear racial disparities in community policing and our criminal justice system. People didn't go out protesting because they wanted to spread or contract a virus, they were just angry and had to show it. If you look at almost every protest, most of those people WERE wearing masks, even outdoors, and to my knowledge almost zero spread of covid-19 was traced to these events. To the contrary, it was the house parties, crowded bars, pool parties, etc, that were we EASILY traced huge numbers of covid spread. One packed night at a bar here in Lansing Michigan led to almost 100 cases, so we smartly shut 'em back down.

I'm gonna step out of this one for a while (hopefully). In the end it clearly doesn't matter what we debate here. Attitudes like yours are finally just a minority in this fine country. If not for the electoral college and gerrymandering... woof, what could have been.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #436  
You can't be serious...you have a very faulty memory, are blind or just refuse to face the facts...you also obviously don't have a very good grasp of the average American's rationale. (I think it's something in the water up there in MI)...!

It was well after social distancing mandates and advisories were in place before peeps started heeding the leadership...had they listened to and took them (advisories) seriously it may not have gotten so bad...once they (populous) realized they should have listened their only avenue was to start clamoring for masks...which is/was like closing the barn doors after the horses left...i.e., too little too late...and I emphasize the word "little" because that is all the benefit that a person gets from using inferior masks...

The general populous simply did not take the virus seriously regardless of what the powers that be were saying...the unrelated protests and demonstrations are a quintessential example...untold thousands/millions of peeps cared more about protesting and making fools of themselves than they cared about staying healthy...

Trying to blame the carelessness of the general public on a lack of leadership is nothing but a political fabrication of horse manure...it's a cop out and about the lamest excuse there is...peeps are notorious for blaming the gov. for their own lack of rationale...second guessing after the fact is ludicrous...the peeps mostly have themselves to blame not leadership...

Are you still trying to flatten the curve to maintain hospital treatment space? That is sooooo 15 weeks ago.....

Sorry to burst your bubble, but masks will only prolong the agony.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #437  
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time, bud. So you're saying that we should just blame everyone individually for being careless, and that better leadership and guidance would have had no effect or improvement on our collective behavior? What is the point of government, if not leadership during times of crisis, then?

Stop bringing up the racial justice protests, its a total non-sequitur and red herring. People took to the streets out of justified rage over clear racial disparities in community policing and our criminal justice system. People didn't go out protesting because they wanted to spread or contract a virus, they were just angry and had to show it. If you look at almost every protest, most of those people WERE wearing masks, even outdoors, and to my knowledge almost zero spread of covid-19 was traced to these events. To the contrary, it was the house parties, crowded bars, pool parties, etc, that were we EASILY traced huge numbers of covid spread. One packed night at a bar here in Lansing Michigan led to almost 100 cases, so we smartly shut 'em back down.

I'm gonna step out of this one for a while (hopefully). In the end it clearly doesn't matter what we debate here. Attitudes like yours are finally just a minority in this fine country. If not for the electoral college and gerrymandering... woof, what could have been.

LoL...FYI...Denial is not a river in Africa...! I pity you poor misguided souls...!

And BTW if you do not see the relevance of the the crowds (protesters/demonstrators) ignoring the distancing etc. guidelines you're oblivious...A simple Internet search will reveal the increases of cases following the masses of people on the street...lots of viable sources unlike heavily biased CNN...LoL..!

Like I said...second guessing after the fact is of no help until the next time...hindsight is 20-20 or better...there will always be things that could have been done better but only realized after the fact...
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #438  
You can't be serious...you have a very faulty memory, are blind or just refuse to face the facts...you also obviously don't have a very good grasp of the average American's rationale. (I think it's something in the water up there in MI)...!

It was well after social distancing mandates and advisories were in place before peeps started heeding the leadership...had they listened to and took them (advisories) seriously it may not have gotten so bad...once they (populous) realized they should have listened their only avenue was to start clamoring for masks...which is/was like closing the barn doors after the horses left...i.e., too little too late...and I emphasize the word "little" because that is all the benefit that a person gets from using inferior masks...

The general populous simply did not take the virus seriously regardless of what the powers that be were saying...the unrelated protests and demonstrations are a quintessential example...untold thousands/millions of peeps cared more about protesting and making fools of themselves than they cared about staying healthy...

Trying to blame the carelessness of the general public on a lack of leadership is nothing but a political fabrication of horse manure...it's a cop out and about the lamest excuse there is...peeps are notorious for blaming the gov. for their own lack of rationale...second guessing after the fact is ludicrous...the peeps mostly have themselves to blame not leadership...

I <shudder> actually agree with /pine on this one. :)

I don't think we can lay blame on one particular person/group/organization in this. There have been multiple failings on multiple levels, that continue to this day. The only way we get out of this without going through total catastrophe first is focus on trying to all do our part. It starts with one.
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #439  
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time, bud. So you're saying that we should just blame everyone individually for being careless, and that better leadership and guidance would have had no effect or improvement on our collective behavior? What is the point of government, if not leadership during times of crisis, then?

Stop bringing up the racial justice protests, its a total non-sequitur and red herring. People took to the streets out of justified rage over clear racial disparities in community policing and our criminal justice system. People didn't go out protesting because they wanted to spread or contract a virus, they were just angry and had to show it. If you look at almost every protest, most of those people WERE wearing masks, even outdoors, and to my knowledge almost zero spread of covid-19 was traced to these events. To the contrary, it was the house parties, crowded bars, pool parties, etc, that were we EASILY traced huge numbers of covid spread. One packed night at a bar here in Lansing Michigan led to almost 100 cases, so we smartly shut 'em back down.

I'm gonna step out of this one for a while (hopefully). In the end it clearly doesn't matter what we debate here. Attitudes like yours are finally just a minority in this fine country. If not for the electoral college and gerrymandering... woof, what could have been.

so what are you going to do if you lose in November? What then? going to Canada? :)
 
/ just when you thought you knew what stupid was #440  
Are you still trying to flatten the curve to maintain hospital treatment space? That is sooooo 15 weeks ago.....

Sorry to burst your bubble, but masks will only prolong the agony.

I don't think you were able to comprehend the points I made (zero relevance to your reply above) ...when the social distancing guidelines were first advised very few heeded them...but now since the lack of distancing caused increases of cases masks were added to the advisories and now a majority of the peeps are clamoring about anyone not wearing a mask...

Even the mask advocates say that distancing is more important than inferior masks...leadership can not be blamed for a lack of compliance by the populous...
 
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