Keeping out the idiots...of the air...

[Reg]

Might be time for a new hobby, say hot air ballooning ?
No need to BUY anything, just invite a few clubs in to take off and land at YOUR property a few week-end in a row.
Maybe have a cook out ?

Now them things is BIG if you finds 'em in your flight path (-:

 

[Maine_Polack]

Wow! Lots O' ideas. Thank you. Good points that I will follow up on.

Sticks = No zoning. Will call town office though. I have lived here for 35 years and he 5.

As far as getting notified, I thought of it also. Now that you mentioned it I will further enlighten myself.

As far as the weapons are concerned...gee, I never thunked it With age comes balance...I'm trying my darnest to be reasonable, but one does become "unbalanced" occasionally. (For the lawyer who wants to use this statement against me....It is certainly all in jest.)

 

[Taylortractornut]

An old manThat taught me alot about building things had a similar problem. After the ice storm in 94 most folks cut their pine timber and alot of hard wood. The timber companies were leasing land and planting them and hired ever crop duster and contractor they could find to spray hardwoods. The old man got tired of the old planes leaking poison all ove rthis place killing his trees. He had a filed a few complaints but they were over looked. the planes still leaked from thier spray booms and often dipped down over his place when they were flying back to the air feild. Then one day he told me had a memory of the barrage ballons he saw over england during WW2. He had gone to a sign company and they had 4 large balloons that were about 4 feet across that the old Ford place used to use during sales. He put a yard sale sign in the yard and putthe balloons in the air way past tree tops.
A few years later i was in Alabama working on a water treat ment plant job. We had a flock of ultralights flying over everyday. We had an old drunk that was subbed outto us that ran the blasting out fit. He had to stop the countdown many times one day trying to make a shot so we could cut out for a 36 inch pipe. I was out there stunding under a loader bucket waiting forthem to clear. That day we saw them at the store a the blaster asked them to stay out from over the job when the flags were out. The next day it was the same thing. They stayed out there then circled when the flags were out. The blaster wanted to shoot and get home to Johnny Walker as he put it. The set the line off right then. One of the holes had a waster pocket in it and sent most of the shot up. The way they flopped around up there and left we didnt have to worry about them any more.

 

[Scooby074]

Maybe video would help? The audio could show the noise your experiencing.

If hes a legit airport, however, theres not alot you can do, unless hes deliberately going out of his way to harass you. The video could go along way to proving that.

My mother is in the flightpath of a local airport. Shes only about 1/2 mile from the end of the runway. Whats worse is most of this airport's traffic are private jets, so theres a real noise factor. And these flights come at all hours, in the middle of the night too. Its annoying, but you just have to live with it, i guess, or move? As was said before, i believe airspace is federal, so local gov't probably cant do much.

Good luck in your fight.

 

[westcliffe01]

As an aviation enthusiast myself, I just want to understand how this whole thing started. Did you move into the area long after the runway was established ? People can't simply buldoze a strip on their farm and call it a runway. They have to apply to the FAA, who come out and do an inspection and one of the things they will look for is clearance from obstacles at the ends of the runway. The clearance zones at the end of the runways (the approach) are quite large and require a lot of room.

So I assume that when the airfield got started, it would have had to meet the criteria. Furthermore, from that time on, there would have been restrictions on development in the approach zones to keep them safe (to Min FAA standards). So I would be surprized that he only clears your place by 75ft. Furthermore, the engine note is completely different in the approach phase of flight (engine close to idle) than on takeoff (max power). Normally, someone coming in to land is near silent.

Now if he "buzzes" your place (not on approach or takeoff) at low altitude, that would be a clear FAA violation. FAA rules prohibit approaching any structure or person on the ground closer than 500ft. If legitimately descending to land or on takeoff, it is a different story if you are right in the approach path, but that is something you need to consider before buying in the first place. Considering the potential consequences of being closed down by the FAA, your friend would have to be really stupid to do anything deliberate to make you more irate. If you think that is the case, get 2 external video cameras and mount them pointing from your property towards the runway and on the opposite side pointing away at a known inclination. Couple that to a recording system that is activated by a microphone when the sound level exceeds a threshold. That system would capture "evidence" of the kind that would stand up in court, particularly if the recording shows date & time. You probably only need a few "home movies" of that kind before you have a meeting with the gentleman, an arbitrator and the FAA.

Here is the Rule:http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...de=14:2.0.1.3.10&idno=14#14:2.0.1.3.10.2.4.10

§ 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.

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Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.


To see how runways are demarcated look here http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...&node=14:2.0.1.2.9&idno=14#14:2.0.1.2.9.3.1.3

And specifically here http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...&node=14:2.0.1.2.9&idno=14#14:2.0.1.2.9.3.1.3

 

[westcliffe01]

Brent, Ultralights are a bit strange, since the FAA regards them as "vehicles" and not "airplanes". No pilots license required. But shooting comes directly under regular law enforcement, not the FAA. If someone shoots on your property you call the sherrif and make a statement. Do that a few times (since the friend with the ultralight has a hard time "hiding") and he will end up with his firearms confiscated or worse. But nothing can be expected if not following the proper channels and there being records of what took place.

Yor friend in the woods needs to get a metal detector and try fo find slugs that could be matched with the rifle. Probably won't take too much to find out what rifle he uses, then you know what you are looking for.

A friend of mine actually has a similar problem. A neighbor of hers has an ultralight that he loves to fly. .

 

[Taylortractornut]

Discharging a firearm from any vehicle I think is a crime unless your disabled. I dont like the way. Thats not good gun and vehicle both get taken.

 

[MNBobcat]

The problem is you were being a jerk and it backfired on you.

If you think about it, you probably do all sorts of stuff for which he could complain - spreading manure (smell), running a tractor or lawn mower (noise), spraying fields (EPA), too many parked cars, not mowing your grass, etc. I'll bet if you look around you'll realize you're living in a glass house yourself and shouldn't throw stones.

You need to learn to be more tolerant of your neighbors. His flying won't hurt you. Yes, you may hear a bit of noise for a little while but its short lived at best.

Your choice is to continue being a jerk and tick off your neighbor in which case he will likely retaliate 10 times worse than you ever imagined or you can go over and apologize for being a jerk in which case he will certainly try to be more sensitive about bothering you.

You started the war with your neighbor and its not one you have any chance of ever winning. Better to live and let live and make peace with him now before you find yourself living in fear of what he might do back to you.

 

[EddieWalker]

The problem is you were being a jerk and it backfired on you.

If you think about it, you probably do all sorts of stuff for which he could complain - spreading manure (smell), running a tractor or lawn mower (noise), spraying fields (EPA), too many parked cars, not mowing your grass, etc. I'll bet if you look around you'll realize you're living in a glass house yourself and shouldn't throw stones.

You need to learn to be more tolerant of your neighbors. His flying won't hurt you. Yes, you may hear a bit of noise for a little while but its short lived at best.

Your choice is to continue being a jerk and tick off your neighbor in which case he will likely retaliate 10 times worse than you ever imagined or you can go over and apologize for being a jerk in which case he will certainly try to be more sensitive about bothering you.

You started the war with your neighbor and its not one you have any chance of ever winning. Better to live and let live and make peace with him now before you find yourself living in fear of what he might do back to you.

Wow. You are a piece of work. Did you read the thread? Do you just fabricate reasons to insult people out of your butt and then blame them for everything from your made up fantasies?

Reading your post makes it pretty clear that you are talking about yourself. Sad that you have to try to bring others down to your level.

Eddie

 

[Maine_Polack]

MNBobcat: Now try to be a good fella, and read the following with an open mind. Its pretty obvious that you have plenty of room left between your ears. Perhaps a vast expanse even.

Oh boy, I want to go to bed, but your message just begs answering.

By talking to the man, and trying to preserve my rights, I "Started a war"???

I do not know this man, or the anything about him. I have no idea what his motivation is.

"If you think about it, you probably do all sorts of stuff for which he could complain "

Sounds to me like you are trying to project your habits, as being mine.

I don't believe that I do even the smallest thing to bother him. I live surrounded by trees, 600 feet from the road, with 80 acres surrounding me. He lives at least 1/4 mile away from me. Can't hear machines running.

I don't think I live in a "glass house", and am not "throwing stones", however, if you care to look in the mirror.....

"spraying fields (EPA), too many parked cars, not mowing your grass, etc"

Again, I see you as not having the least comprehension of what living where I do is about. I don't spray fields. I could have a 100 parked cars, (I own two), and no one would give a darn... Wouldn't even see them if I did. If I didn't mow my grass, no one would care, or even know, cause it cannot be seen. You obviously have no conception of what living where I do is about. However you are proving to be quite a notable "jerk "for supposing you do.

"Your choice is to continue being a jerk and tick off your neighbor in which case he will likely retaliate 10 times worse than you ever imagined or you can go over and apologize for being a jerk in which case he will certainly try to be more sensitive about bothering you."

It is also apparent that you reside at Disney Land or some such place. Have you ever sucked it up and done what is necessary in a situation? I thought not...


You started the war with your neighbor and its not one you have any chance of ever winning. Better to live and let live and make peace with him now before you find yourself living in fear of what he might do back to you."

It is also quite obvious that your reading comprehension is sorely lacking in skill.

" Better to live and let live and make peace with him now before you find yourself living in fear of what he might do back to you."

Ah, yes, live in peace...is exactly what I want to do. When my "peace", or the peace of my family is threatened though, I will not hide in the corner.

Have you read any of what I related? I think if you had you would not have been such a "Jerk", and written what you did. Try to keep in mind that ignorance is not a virtue.

But I do thank you for your response. Lets me go to bed with a smile on my face. Good night now....