Traction Kioti 2009 CK35 Transmission Problem

   / Kioti 2009 CK35 Transmission Problem #21  
I don't know how to post a pic. I know, that's sad. Anyway, The plug I'm talking about is the large red rubber plug that has a hook end on it (it looks like a J) where you add more hydraulic fluid. It's just above the hydraulic fluid dipstick at the back of the tractor.
That is the transmission vent/fill plug.
 
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This confuses me.. how are you taking a sample of the hydraulic oil.. are you opening a drain plug in the transmission? and you say it is milky? yet you say when you check it on the dipstick (on on rear of the tractor I assume) it is clear. You are not confusing this with engine oil are you? You are talking about the hydraulic dipstick not the engine oil dipstick. Also I don't see how the milky hydraulic oil has anything to do with the slipping clutch (apparently) original problem. I guess we will all know more when the dealer has a chance to tear into it.

James K0UA

I see you're a night owl too. :) Yes, I opened a small drain plug on the bottom of the transmission (I'm assuming since it was just behind the front axle) and it is slightly milky. Maybe this is not hydraulic fluid - sorry if it's not. The hydraulic fluid is also even "milkier" when I disconnect one the FEL hoses and operate the FEL. And yes, the dipstick I checked is the one at the rear of the tractor. I was just trying to give all the info I could about what I'm finding on my tractor to see if it helped give anyone an idea about the cause of the loss of transmission power. I thought maybe the milky hydraulic fluid is related to my transmission problem. Maybe it's a pump or a clogged filter or screen. I just don't understand why the hydraulic fluid is milky at the front of the tractor but clear at the rear of the tractor. It's like it is not getting circulated but maybe this is normal.
 
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That is the transmission vent/fill plug.

That is where the dealer told me to add the Quattro hydraulic oil since the dipstick was showing that it was low. Was that not correct? Isn't hydraulic oil and hydraulic fluid the same thing? The dealer told me that the transmission, the FEL, and the PTO all used the same hydraulic fluid. Is this not correct either? Sorry for the stupid questions but I've never owned a tractor before and maybe I shouldn't own one now lol or maybe I should at least learn how one works! Thanks again!
 
   / Kioti 2009 CK35 Transmission Problem #24  
Ok. I checked the drawings online posted by michigan iron equipment, and you are right, I dont see the water drain "button" either in the drawing. I thought they all had them, and I am basing what I have seen on Kubota machines. But I don't see one on the Kioti drawing.

James K0UA
 
   / Kioti 2009 CK35 Transmission Problem #25  
That is where the dealer told me to add the Quattro hydraulic oil since the dipstick was showing that it was low. Was that not correct? Isn't hydraulic oil and hydraulic fluid the same thing? The dealer told me that the transmission, the FEL, and the PTO all used the same hydraulic fluid. Is this not correct either? Sorry for the stupid questions but I've never owned a tractor before and maybe I shouldn't own one now lol or maybe I should at least learn how one works! Thanks again!

That is the correct place to add the hydraulic oil and that dipstick back there is the correct dipstick to check the fluid level.
 
   / Kioti 2009 CK35 Transmission Problem #26  
I see you're a night owl too. :) Yes, I opened a small drain plug on the bottom of the transmission (I'm assuming since it was just behind the front axle) and it is slightly milky. Maybe this is not hydraulic fluid - sorry if it's not. The hydraulic fluid is also even "milkier" when I disconnect one the FEL hoses and operate the FEL. And yes, the dipstick I checked is the one at the rear of the tractor. I was just trying to give all the info I could about what I'm finding on my tractor to see if it helped give anyone an idea about the cause of the loss of transmission power. I thought maybe the milky hydraulic fluid is related to my transmission problem. Maybe it's a pump or a clogged filter or screen. I just don't understand why the hydraulic fluid is milky at the front of the tractor but clear at the rear of the tractor. It's like it is not getting circulated but maybe this is normal.

Well just behind the front axle the drain plugs are the engine oil NOT the hydraulic fluid/oil. those drain plugs are further to the rear of the clutch housing there should be three, The main drain plug and the 2 little ones further back and lower that drain the final drives gear cases.

James K0UA
 
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Ok. I checked the drawings online posted by michigan iron equipment, and you are right, I dont see the water drain "button" either in the drawing. I thought they all had them, and I am basing what I have seen on Kubota machines. But I don't see one on the Kioti drawing.

James K0UA

Oh ok. Great I guess. At least I wasn't missing it then. Thanks a lot!
 
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Well just behind the front axle the drain plugs are the engine oil NOT the hydraulic fluid/oil. those drain plugs are further to the rear of the clutch housing there should be three, The main drain plug and the 2 little ones further back and lower that drain the final drives gear cases.

James K0UA

Oh, ok. My mistake. No wonder then the difference between the look of the FEL fluid and the fluid from under the tractor. But isn't it strange that the fluid is milky at the FEL loader but clear at the rear of the tractor?
 
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That is the correct place to add the hydraulic oil and that dipstick back there is the correct dipstick to check the fluid level.

Ok, great. Thanks.
 
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UPDATE: I had to move the tractor in anticipation of hauling it to the dealer tomorrow and here is what happened:

When I took off on the tractor, it started moving very slowly as usual but then after a few feet, it's speed started picking up and within 30 feet or so I was moving along very fast so I look down and I'm in high gear so I was hoping that it was working normally again. So I stopped the tractor and checked what gear number I was in and it was in number 2. So I let the clutch out again but it repeated the process. So I got it moved to where it needs to be now and won't move it again but I was hoping maybe there was hope for it after all.

So what does that description mean? I'm going to guess it means that the clutch is slipping or could it be the pressure plate slipping? If so, are either of those easily correctable?

What else could it mean? What does it actually mean when someone says the clutch is burned up? Does it mean the clutch plate is worn out and it is too thin to make proper contact with whatever it makes contact with? Does it now sound like a throwout bearing problem?

ONE MORE UPDATE: I also noticed today that the transmission works ALMOST NORMALLY (even in high gear) for about 2 or 3 minutes, then it begins to slow to a crawl again. I noticed the same thing for the FEL today. It rockets up and down for the first few minutes, then slows down (but not significantly like the transmission). I also have not actually loaded the bucket with anything recently but now I'm wondering if that would bog the FEL down significantly (I almost bet it would). And I no longer have my bushhog on the back or I would have tested the speed of it out as well today. DOES THIS SUGGEST ANYTHING ELSE? Thanks again EVERYONE!
 
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