Kioti as OEM for John Deere?

[smstonypoint]

Does the Chinese make their own JD's too? Do you have any links to this?

Looking at https://www.deere.com/common/docs/our_company/about_us/worldwide_locations/worldwidelocations.pdf, John Deere shows production facilities in China but not in South Korea. I interpret this to mean that John Deere is producing its own tractors in China (perhaps in partnerships with Chinese firms), rather than licensing that production to Chinese firms.

Steve

 

[murphy1244]

Looking at https://www.deere.com/common/docs/our_company/about_us/worldwide_locations/worldwidelocations.pdf, John Deere shows production facilities in China but not in South Korea. I interpret this to mean that John Deere is producing its own tractors in China, rather than licensing that production to Chinese firms.

Steve

Ah so they make their own too. Steve do you know anything about S Korea not allowing anything into their country not made there? Pallets maybe?

 

[smstonypoint]

Ah so they make their own too. Steve do you know anything about S Korea not allowing anything into their country not made there? Pallets maybe?

I don't keep up with trade policy, but I do know that the South Korea is (and has been) a major importer of US ag. commodities and that South Korea has relatively new free-trade agreements with the US and the the EU. Pallets? I'm not so sure.

Steve

 

[Gittyup]

I have no facts to support my assertion. Just conversations with agents and citizens, and observations when I worked in Korea for several months. They import what they cannot make themselves, like wood products (the Janpanese destroyed almost of the Korean forests in WWII) and many Ag products. They are short on many natural resources, but not in industrial capability. When it comes to heavy equipment and similar (cars, tractors, ships, steel, etc.), they protect these industries. My conjecture is that the best way for JD to get a piece of this market is through partnerships with Korean companies. And I'm guessing this is mutually beneficial to the Korean companies that see a national demand for a niche product that doesn't make economical sense for them to produce single-handedly. Plus, I'm sure the U.S. is pressuring them to allow more U.S. imports, and this helps reduce such pressures.

I don't keep up with trade policy, but I do know that the South Korea is (and has been) a major importer of US ag. commodities and that South Korea has relatively new free-trade agreements with the US and the the EU. Pallets? I'm not so sure.

Steve

 

[Gittyup]

It's a good thing for us owners of Daedong products.

 

[rmorey]

I know, they made orange paint, (Kioti) White paint (Bobcat), Blue paint (Landini), Red paint (McCormack). and now GREEN? OMG..

Apparently, the paint store shipped them green by mistake, so they had to find a way to get rid of it. :laughing:

 

[grsthegreat]

List of tractors built by other companies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heres an interesting post...not sure as to accuracy though.

 

[smstonypoint]

Here are some links concerning South Korea's trade policies and trade agreements:

Export.gov - CS Korea - Trade Regulations, Customs

Korea, Republic of for foreign direct investment policies

U.S. - Korea Free Trade Agreement | Office of the United States Trade Representative

South Korea - Trade - European Commission

China, Japan, South Korea Agree to Trade Talks - WSJ.com

Steve

 

[KiotiDave]

When I traveled to Korea to visit the Daedong headquarters there was a yard full of Green John Deere tractors. It turns out that Daedong is the Korean distributor for John Deere and has a network of dealers. They mainly bring in the higher HP tractors that Daedong does not build themselves (120HP and up). They said there is a demand for the larger tractors and they import and distribute them for John Deere. That is the only arrangement I know of with the 2 companies, but anything is possible.

 

[engine29]

Correct Kioti Dave. Deere uses Daedong as a distributor for 6000 series in S. Korea. There is no Deere dealer presence in that region so Deere starts where Daedong stops. I was there (Dagu) 2 yrs. ago and stood next to a truck at the dock where they were loading one. It IS a Deere made by Deere sent to Korea. No Daedong is not making tractors for Deere.

 

[grsthegreat]

then how do you enplane this

Daedong-John Deere 6630 Premium - Tractor & Construction Plant Wiki - The classic vehicle and machinery wiki

 

[engine29]

I explain it as not totally accurate. It is sourced in Korea but not made in Korea. I have that same brochure on my wall next to my desk. We got it from the horses mouth at the factory in Nov.'12. Believe what you want but I would say I have a little better info., actually being there. That's what I love about this site, you tell the truth and or facts and they still argue w/ you.

 

[grsthegreat]

what ever

 

[fieldman12]

First of all, you are from Northern Europe? Where in Northern Europe as i did not recognize that country name so I am assuming it is not a country.

In your area there is a place called Mannheim Germany that you are more familiar with than I am. They build 6R tractors there and have built John Deere tractors for the European market since the 1950s so I understand when they purchased Herman Lanz out who also built the famous Lanz Bulldog tractor. If in your travels in Europe you could stop at a John Deere dealership to validate the Daedong claim (I have a hard time to read the website), and find it to be true, I truly would be shocked.

There is also a cab and operator station factory in Germany for John Deere. Perhaps you should see if you could have a tour there?

Allot of older USA tractors where made in Mannheim Germany. My John Deere 2155 was made there.

 

[fieldman12]

Deere is starting to make allot of tractors in other countries and I suspect more and more manufactures will do this. I believe I read a while back that if memory servers me wright that Deere will make a version of the 8000 series in Europe for the European market. I think the main reason companies are doing this is because from what I have been reading in the last couple years shipping stuff to other countries is hardly an cheaper any more than producing it in your own Is what I have been reading.

 

[PILOON]

I believe there is more crossover than we'd believe.
Heck smaller units like the lawn tractors are often rebranded MTD products with minor changes like body tin/plastic seats etc.
I had a Deere 510 3cyl that had a German engine in it. From the manual it was also available with a 4cyl engine.
Many CUTs sport Mitsubishi engines including Ford (new Holland).
Many brands also sport Yanmar engines.

Should not be a surprise as it is all economics, like who is more efficient in a particular segment of the industry.
The automotive industry is full of it. Transmissions, differentials etc are crossed over in all major brands. That is what SAE is all about.
SAE is industry compatibility standards.
Most American auto enthusiasts know the compatibility of components and that started with the hotrodders.
I am aware that some Deere excavators are in fact pure Hitachi rebranded in all mechanical aspects.

In the case of tractors it is just that we generally are not as well informed, but slowly getting there.
Also I don't believe Europe and Asia go by SAE standards as we know it.

Somewhere in my library I have an older issue of SAE standards that is very interesting reading. It covers everything from hardware to rims bell housings flanges bearings splines U-joints etc etc.

One example is the famous 4 cyl Jeep engine. Actually Continental flat 4 (and versions) is also the 4 cyl used in old Ford tractors.(8N, i believe). It also was a common marine engine.