Kioti Broken in Half

[ptsg]

I was doing a little bit more digging on this tractor and found some comments from the owner.

One was that the tractor is a 2019 and the warranty was only 2 years, at least for the structural warranty as he said.

The other comments from him after someone pointed out that it may or may not been a case of abuse: "Not only every oil change but every week!! I owned a heavy equipment dealership for 27 years I paid guys like you. We use it in our boat yard, right application? Show me an owners manual that says you can plow grass but you can't push rocks?! Listen the reality is the machine should be designed so as not to be able to break itself apart because its lift capacity exceeds its structural integrity, keep in mind only 800 hours not 8000 hours of use."

I think it explains really well how this tractor has been treated. People see a loader on a tractor and expect it to behave like a skidsteer or a bulldozer, only to find out that it will eventually turn into an expensive expectation.

 

[daman1]

A combination of a junk tractor and design and abuse, I've seen a couple posts on the web now of a kioti cracking and breaking in that area. POS.

And then try to get any warranty work out of them good luck

 

[prometheus303]

hope its not out of Warranty

 

[Agvg]

But doesn't this have a subframe for the loader? Hard to really see much in the pictures.

 

[prometheus303]

This example does not fit this model that broke in half but to illustrate how company mislead technically with the truth, and yet misleading. See the pic below Lift Capacity 1835. It uses the KL4030 You figure that it's the Lift Capacity to Full Height at Pivot Pins. which would be 98.4" in case of this loader. Not so. See second pic. It's Lift Capacity at 59.84 in. (1,520 mm) Pivot Pin. It does not tell you what the Lift Capacity to Full Height at Pivot Pins. I'm guessing read the manual on loading you would find out. You know it's going to be less 1835lbs. Of course if you the Loader model KL4010 which fits the same unit is the does the full 1835lbs.

 

[Boss 302]

A combination of a junk tractor and design and abuse, I've seen a couple posts on the web now of a kioti cracking and breaking in that area. POS.

And then try to get any warranty work out of them good luck

Partner it's not just Kioti, check the web and you'll see quite a few Massey's as well as others that have also been abused beyond their intended use.

 

[k0ua]

OMG. my junk tractor is going to fall apart in the middle real soon. I best be trading it off. I sure have moved a lot of heavy boulders with it. Darn. Sure stir up some more FUD.

 

[RjCorazza]

Ones thing's for sure... That machine didn't break while moving boats around a yard. The combination of the woods, grapple, and boulders leads me to believe he had a large load in the grapple and was bouncing over those boulders.
He probably wouldn't have taken so much heat in the Facebook comments if his salvage price was reasonable. I've never priced salvage equipment, but my W.A.G. is in the 10-15k range. Any more experience opinions?

 

[IndyJay]

OMG. my junk tractor is going to fall apart in the middle real soon. I best be trading it off. I sure have moved a lot of heavy boulders with it. Darn. Sure stir up some more FUD.

I think I might take off my grapple. I don't want to break my junky tractor in half. Maybe I can get a smaller bucket for my loader.

 

[deezler]

So am I seeing this right, it didn't actually "break in half" so much as the front axle just ripped off? Huge disaster but seems repairable, ultimately. A lot of grinding, welding, and new parts, for sure.

If you go bouncing off-road through the frozen woods carrying a giant boulder, well I guess that's about the worst abuse possible for a front end. Still pretty lame.

 

[RoyJackson]

That's true but the ad is from Belgrade, Maine.

Craigslist? Probably a scammer...

 

[plastikosmd]

Do we in fact know that this was “abuse”

I would think about everything I put my machine though is “abuse”

impressive pics

 

[unimog_jason]

The cab step and fuel tank strap were not damaged as a result of the front falling off, my vote would be systemic abuse.

 

[Hilbilly]

The cab step and fuel tank strap were not damaged as a result of the front falling off, my vote would be systemic abuse.

The 3rd pic shows the cab step bent forward, a lot. My guess is abuse.

 

[Midniteoyl]

He used it like it was heavy machinery. Just the size of grapple tells you that.

 

[Agvg]

He used it like it was heavy machinery. Just the size of grapple tells you that.

But it should not lift more than it can handle, maybe he adjusted pressure valve on the loader. Or it took off an had a lucky run down a hill with a stylish jump at the end

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

A combination of a junk tractor and design and abuse, I've seen a couple posts on the web now of a kioti cracking and breaking in that area. POS.

And then try to get any warranty work out of them good luck

Lol. I remember seeing a post about a Massey left unattended in neutral rolling down a slight grade hitting a tree and braking in two.

 

[rademamj1]

On another site, the tractor owner is selling this Kioti in "as present" condition. It's a 2019 model. Buyer must retrieve the tractor from field. He also indicates he is both a Boat Marina owner, and heavy equipment dealer, marketing skid steers and construction equipment, and this accident occurred early November 2021 or about three months ago. He is located in Maine.

From his actions to sell the tractor in the current condition, it probably means Kioti has already reviewed the situation, and denied any warranty work on this tractor. So this additional information is leading me to thinking possible abuse. I understand that many tractor manufacturers sometimes deny warranty repairs if abuse or neglect is suspected to have contributed to said damage.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

But it should not lift more than it can handle, maybe he adjusted pressure valve on the loader. Or it took off an had a lucky run down a hill with a stylish jump at the end

Lift capacity and ability is based on operating on level ground, and this was not level ground. This appears to be too much weight and a bouncing load over uneven ground.

 

[ptsg]

Kioti makes a very solid and tough tractor. Far from junk. They can see some serious work if used properly and for what it was intended, just like any other brand.

Tractors were never meant to have a loader on. So light to medium duty work is ok. Anything above that will fall very quickly on the abuse category. As if that wasn't enough, people use these oversized and overweight attachments that cause more harm that good.

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