Comparison Kioti CK2610HST vs Kubota L2501HST : what am I missing?

[Threepoint]

If the tractor was delivered with the psi 300 psi lower than rated pressure and you boosted it 300 psi to be at the rated pressure your warranty wouldn稚 be void.

If the published rating in the marketing materials and manuals were 300 lbs higher than the delivered pressure, I'd say you'd have a very strong argument. But, if we're talking only about an internal, non-pubished design rating at the manufacturer, I don't think so.

 

[deezler]

Here is a video of a guy stress testing his KL4030 loader. Not recommended.
How much will a 25Hp tractor Lift? Safely? Kioti CK2610 w/ KL4030 front loader - YouTube

Enjoy.

Wow that guy is a real klutz on the loader controls. Better stay out of his way when hes operating anything, yikes.

He could have gotten the 4030 to lift more if he knew what he was doing (concentrate load closer to the forks, run engine at higher revs to build more hydr pressure, etc), but I guess thats a fair trial for how most users will do it day-to-day.

 

[mangler]

Ok, here is what I have so far. Feel free to chime-in if you disagree.

Kubota L2501 Pros:

Smoother loader and 3pt
Better resale value
Lower rpm at rated power (2200rpm vs 2600rpm), with higher low end torque?
More precise steering linkage?
Available KTAC insurance
Likely better part availability over 20 year ownership
Better selection of mods and add-ons, due to sales volume

Kioti CK2610 pros:

Higher FEL (+350lbs) and 3pt capacity (1631lbs vs 1389lbs)
Higher hydraulic flow (11.7gpm vs 8.3gpm)
Fender mounted FEL controls
Cheaper price ($2800 CAD difference here, with similar equipment(2 rear remotes), roughly 10% of purchase price)
More robust steering linkage.
Better/more options included for the above price (mat, horn, bloc heater)

 

[PEJ5]

I was just looking at the spec sheets and they are surprisingly similar in weight and size. I would point out a few things...

I do not see the overall length with the loader bucket attached. You may want to measure that for each tractor if your garage space is tight.

The 2501 ROPS height is 91.7 while the 2610 is 99.2. You will not get the Kioti through an 8' garage door with the ROPS up (my DK5010 is shorter and gives me 1 inch to spare).

I assume you are looking at an HST. 2501 rocker pedal; 2610 two pedals. Personal preference. FYI: I am quite certain that the Kioti manual transmission is not synchronized to shift up through gears, but I recall F2/R2 are synchronized.

The hydraulic pump is a difference. The 2501 is 5.15gpm usable while the Kioti is up to 11.7gpm (when not steering). I have a Canadian made Splitfire 3pt attached 2 way wood splitter. Check it out. It will split twice as fast with the Kioti hydraulics. This may not be applicable to you, but some other attachment might have similar differences.

Finally, since you are in Ontario, Look at Tractor Protect insurance. It is affordable and has nice features including $2M third party liability & $10K attachment coverage. I use them.

Have fun deciding.

 

[paulfun9]

I honestly don稚 see the resale value as being higher. Mostly what I see is people who don稚 consider it as a percentage of the original price. Around here most of what I see for sale is about the same percentage wise or it sits for sale forever. There is a kubota sitting at the end of town for sale now for over 3 months that most likely won稚 sell till the price gets lowered.

Can稚 speak about the newer models for the steering but I don稚 have issues with the steering on my Kioti. I would think you might be best off testing the steering during a test drive before putting that to the list.

I see mention of the rocker pedal vs the 2 pedal system. For me that is a major consideration! As I got older and have knee and hip problems amoung other things. I simply can稚 operate most rocker pedals for any length of time without feeling discomfort, talking about 10 to 15 min time frames here a hole hour would have me limping around for days and when I start a tractor it痴 usually running for hours, so comfort is important.

 

[tradosaurus]

I think seat time in each tractor should determine what you which one you will buy. If FEL capacity is critical to you look at a bigger size tractor.

 

[shooterdon]

Mangler, I assume Ontario Canada?

If so, consider PTO power needed for a snow blower.

Funny, thing...when I started my search last year, the 2501 was what I started looking at after reading about how great they are. Realized it was not the machine I would want/need long term. Look at what you may want to do in the future.

Like you I was getting my undies in a knot over the Tier IV stuff but in the end decided that it was not a deal killer...lack of performance was. I have a 6 year warranty so protected there and the regen is not a big deal.

My main uses are processing firewood, blowing/clearing snow, clearing brush, road maintenance. List your current needs and future wants then pick the right machine for you.

Good luck

 

[mangler]

I was just looking at the spec sheets and they are surprisingly similar in weight and size. I would point out a few things...

I do not see the overall length with the loader bucket attached. You may want to measure that for each tractor if your garage space is tight.

The 2501 ROPS height is 91.7 while the 2610 is 99.2. You will not get the Kioti through an 8' garage door with the ROPS up (my DK5010 is shorter and gives me 1 inch to spare).

I assume you are looking at an HST. 2501 rocker pedal; 2610 two pedals. Personal preference. FYI: I am quite certain that the Kioti manual transmission is not synchronized to shift up through gears, but I recall F2/R2 are synchronized.

The hydraulic pump is a difference. The 2501 is 5.15gpm usable while the Kioti is up to 11.7gpm (when not steering). I have a Canadian made Splitfire 3pt attached 2 way wood splitter. Check it out. It will split twice as fast with the Kioti hydraulics. This may not be applicable to you, but some other attachment might have similar differences.

Finally, since you are in Ontario, Look at Tractor Protect insurance. It is affordable and has nice features including $2M third party liability & $10K attachment coverage. I use them.

Have fun deciding.

Thanks Peter.

The height with rops is a bummer! I thought i would be golden with my 8' doors, not so much with the Kioti.

Any way to cut it down? I can't believe I will much more unsafe with a 95" rops, but I can guarantee I'll forget to fold it at least once and I'll take out the doors of the garage...

Good point about the rocker vs 2 separate pedals. I much prefer the 2 separate pedals.

One more thing: does anyone know if the L2501 and the CK2610 have independent rear left and right brakes? I hear they can be handy for quick turns (when damage is not an issue) or to prevent slippage when one wheel is slipping, instead of engaging the diff
lock.

As far as size is concerned, I think I am already way over my needs with the L2501/CK2610. I have about 3.5 acres workable, and mostly want the tractor to clear my property, use the fel for landscaping, pull out some wild shrubs, and maybe till a small vegetable garden. I also have 2 piles of logs from the house site clearing, the slightly bigger tractor will likely come in handy to pull them down and cut them. I will be buying a Berco snowblower for the Craftsman garden tractor, so that takes care of the snowblowing needs (so far this year, I have plowed once, 5" snowfall, so I don't want to overdo it). Maybe a box blade to maintain the 660ft gravel driveway, and maybe a small bushhog to clear the underbrush between the large trees (here something smaller would likely be an asset). I could see getting a smaller 3pt chipper, if the price was right. Pretty sure i could "manage" with 20 hp at the pto regardless.

I have natural gas, so i won't be doing any cord wood.

 

[PEJ5]

There are a few reasons why modifying your ROPS is not recommended, but some have. You will have to rig up a tennis ball on a rope that hits you in the face as a reminder as you drive into the garage. ...or buy the larger DK with the shorter ROPS - go figure.
I do not believe the 2610 has dual brakes, but I assume a visit to the dealer is in your near future.

 

[dfkrug]

The hydraulic pump is a difference. The 2501 is 5.15gpm usable while the Kioti is up to 11.7gpm (when not steering).

Kioti, for some strange reason, quotes the total hyd pump flow in their brochures, which is about 11.7GPM. That includes the flow for the Power Steering and HST Charge Pump, which can not be used to supplement the Implement Pump flow. The Implement Pumps for this size Kioti is usually about 8.3GPM max, a spec you can find in the Repair Manual. Same #s as my CK30.

8.3GPM is about what you get for the implement pumps on Grand L Kubotas, too. Standard Ls, like the L2501 are substantially less, as you say.