Comparison Kioti CK2610HST vs Kubota L2501HST : what am I missing?

[dfkrug]

They know exactly what they are doing quoting that 11.7 gpm number as shown by posts claiming how much more hydraulic flow than competitors. Mahindra misleads concerning their "no dpf" claim.

When comparing any 2 tractors of the same size and features, the 2 most important specs are: weight and hydraulic implement pump pressure/flow. Of course, that is just my opinion. Makers should not make it hard to find those numbers.

 

[Threepoint]

Mangler, regarding a 3rd function, you probably know that Kioti now offers its own kit for its tractors. It's a nice one; a buddy has it on his new DK5310SE cab. Two-finger operation from your joystick. If you think you'll want to run a grapple in the future, now's the time to have the dealer install the kit, before delivery, negotiated as part of your package deal. Then you're done with it. It should run you around US$800, judging from the experience of some other TBN'rs. That's considerably cheaper than the popular W.R. Long 3rd function kit, which is around US$1,000 to $1,200. I have two of those, and they are great, but the Kioti 3rd function kit works just as well, and was not available when I bought.

Running a grapple from the rear remotes using extension hoses can certainly be done inexpensively, as others note. But you can only get your CK2610 with two sets of factory rear remotes, and IMO it's nice to leave those dedicated for other purposes, such as top 'n tilt.

 

[mangler]

Mangler, regarding a 3rd function, you probably know that Kioti now offers its own kit for its tractors. It's a nice one; a buddy has it on his new DK5310SE cab. Two-finger operation from your joystick. If you think you'll want to run a grapple in the future, now's the time to have the dealer install the kit, before delivery, negotiated as part of your package deal. Then you're done with it. It should run you around US$800, judging from the experience of some other TBN'rs. That's considerably cheaper than the popular W.R. Long 3rd function kit, which is around US$1,000 to $1,200. I have two of those, and they are great, but the Kioti 3rd function kit works just as well, and was not available when I bought.

Running a grapple from the rear remotes using extension hoses can certainly be done inexpensively, as others note. But you can only get your CK2610 with two sets of factory rear remotes, and IMO it's nice to leave those dedicated for other purposes, such as top 'n tilt.

Very interesting, just had a chat with a local dealer, and he was adamant there was no OEM 3rd function from Kioti. IMHO, OEM grade/integrated 3rd function is a game changer. No question, for 800 us, I'm putting it on my new tractor. If they will sell it to me... Are you sure they have not reserved this for their "premium" high hp tractors?

I just pulled out a 30ft ball of wild roses that had taken over the property today. A grapple (even an add-a-grapple) would have been real nice.

 

[drysalty]

I bought a CK 2610 in October and had an OEM third function installed by my local Kioti dealer before delivery.

 

[Threepoint]

Very interesting, just had a chat with a local dealer, and he was adamant there was no OEM 3rd function from Kioti. IMHO, OEM grade/integrated 3rd function is a game changer. No question, for 800 us, I'm putting it on my new tractor. If they will sell it to me... Are you sure they have not reserved this for their "premium" high hp tractors?

I just pulled out a 30ft ball of wild roses that had taken over the property today. A grapple (even an add-a-grapple) would have been real nice.

The Kioti OEM 3rd function hasn't been available for very long, so whomever you spoke with at that dealership may simply not have gotten the memo yet. But, I'm a little surprised that he would have been so adamant in his denial. Especially if you told him you'd learned about it on TBN. :laughing:

 

[mangler]

To be fair, I did not challenge the dealer on the 3rd function availability. Or mention TBN...

While I'm on a roll, I seem to have a choice between a 60" bucket and a 66" bucket. I am leaning towards the 66" (because you can always fill it less, but you can't put 10lbs of mulch in a 5lb bag), but would like to hear from people who have made the choice themselves. If it makes a difference, I am planning on getting a Piranha tooth bar, and probably a bucket spade.

 

[chevy]

I have a 66" bucket with R4 tires. The bucket barely wider than the wheels. For ag tires a 60" bucket might work.

 

[MAD777]

Get the 66" bucket for sure!

 

[paulfun9]

I have a 66" bucket with R4 tires. The bucket barely wider than the wheels. For ag tires a 60" bucket might work.

With this information the 66 inch bucket sounds like the one I would want.

 

[Threepoint]

To be fair, I did not challenge the dealer on the 3rd function availability. Or mention TBN...

While I'm on a roll, I seem to have a choice between a 60" bucket and a 66" bucket. I am leaning towards the 66" (because you can always fill it less, but you can't put 10lbs of mulch in a 5lb bag), but would like to hear from people who have made the choice themselves. If it makes a difference, I am planning on getting a Piranha tooth bar, and probably a bucket spade.

Either bucket would be fine, of course. I would recommend a 60" bucket for that tractor for a couple of reasons, which will be equally applicable when you size your grapple in the future. You'll have better penetration when digging with your Piranha bar, and when pushing into a pile of material, because the force on the cutting edge will be concentrated over a narrower area. Hence, a higher point load. Secondly, you'll have more maneuverability with the 60", compared to the 66" bucket. That's especially useful when working in the woods. I run a 60" bucket and a 60" grapple on my 2018 CK3510SE HST, which is about 200 lbs heavier, and 10 more hp, than the CK2510HST. I really wouldn't want a wider bucket unless most of my use would be moving loose material like manure, sand, etc. In fact, my 60" Wicked Root Grapple was originally bought four years ago for use on my much larger-framed NX4510HST cab. I went with the 60" grapple rather than a 66" on the sound advice of Travis Templeton at Everything Attachments, and have been grateful to him for that guidance ever since.

In the prior post, Chevy mentioned covering the tread width of the rear tires with the bucket width. I'd be interested in the reasoning for that, but my personal view is that the loader bucket is not really like a 3pt blade in that respect.