Kubota B21 Advice

   / Kubota B21 Advice #11  
As for need of the TLB, well maybe you wont need it a lot but it has sure come in handy for me on my 11 acres. I do a lot of freebie work for my brother in law and recently my next door neighbor has discovered how handy the B26 is. It started out just digging up and transplanted some shrubs, then I removed a couple of stumps, removed some unwanted bushes and small trees in the back yard next to property line, levelled some dirt piles, hauled some dirt to fill in doggy holes, dug a hole to install an 18 foot tall light pole and still more work to do I am sure.

After they saw what could be done with it, all kinds of things needing done but hadn't been attempted due in part to no equipment and they only have about an acre. I love doing the work because it keeps me active rather than just setting around the TV watching re-runs.

EDIT: Almost forgot about digging up the big yellow jacket nest for them too. Managed it without even one sting although the application of about a quart of gasoline to the nest first did help.
 
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#12  
If you see some for $13,000 that are trashed, and you could get the nice one for maybe $15-16,000, it would be worth it. I believe the B21s were quite expensive new.

That is my thinking also, I would love to buy it in that range, but not sure if he will move that much right now. I am afraid that if and when it drops in that range someone will beat me to it??

Have you looked at the B1700, B2100, B2400 series? IMO they are comparable to the B21 etc and can be found with low hours at reasonable prices...most have FELs but not often a BH...
Good Luck...

I have been looking a little at everything that I stumble across. I have seen a couple of good deals come up but have sold before I could go check them out. The B21 has position control on the 3 pt where as the others you mention do not, as far as I know, and also around here the small Kubotas usually fetch a pretty good price and then you still do not have the BH.

I'm definitely not one of those "experts" you mentioned, so take my advice for what it's worth. Normally, I'd question why someone would need a construction grade machine like a B21 for a couple of acres, considering that they'll cost more than a similar size and horsepower CUT + backhoe and loader that would do essentially the same job in most situations. But your profile says you've had quite a range of other equipment, so you most likely know better than anyone what you want and need.

If the condition of the machine corresponds with the hour meter (tires, seat, seals, hoses, paint, etc.), $17850 is not a bad price.

Yes, you are correct that someone with a couple of acres probably does not need a construction grade machine. I guess I have always been drawn to commercial/ industrial grade equipment, as I assume many people are as well. I grew up having my father's Case 580B TLB around and you get spoiled with how heavy duty and almost indestructible it is. Also, had a couple pieces of JD industrial equipment and it served me well. My demented thinking tells me it will not bother me too much to let the B21 live outdoors, or under my barn porch, since that is where most of that style equipment lives. When I bought my L3800 new, I felt it always had to be kept indoors and chews up a pretty good footprint in my barn.

17-18k for a real real nice one is probably what it will sell for at a dealer. The size of the B21 makes it a very useful machine. If you had to sell it I 4-5 years and still had "low" hours and it was still in good condition, I imagine it would still be worth 14-15k.

Yes, the size is what attracts me to the B21 and the fact of how beefy these little things were built. The B26 is really nice, but almost seems to be getting a little too big for what I want right now. My thoughts on resale as well, but hoping if I buy this to keep it until the wheels fall off.

Having owned one now for a few years, I would highly recommend one. In fact, I have a web page documenting my experiences with it.

I do stuff with this tractor that folks with a lighter grade machine (non-commercial) would wince at, like slamming the FEL with tooth bar at an angle into rocky hillsides, then curl the bucket to break up the boulders and then haul them away. This tractor does not care. There's a reason it costs more.

If you get bored: B21

I have looked at your thread before and is a big part of what makes me want a B21. I will go back and re-read it again for fun. Being built as construction grade is really a huge draw. Skid plates and the routing of hydraulic lines along with the overall build quality I like.

I really appreciate everyone's advice and thoughts. Thought I should have posted a link to the one I am looking at to give you a better idea. I know it is more of a want than a need.

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=8589757
 
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#13  
I've had this B21 since new in 2004. Very useful. Nothing ever goes wrong. If you want a backhoe to shape up a 2.5 acre property, that lightly used machine looks like a good deal to me.

That's what I like to hear :thumbsup::thumbsup: Hope the same for me if I decide to buy it. I like the thumb you are building and may have to copy your design.

I bought a used 2009 B26 in 2011 with 60 hours for $20,500 and it was pristine condition. I am the third owner and both second owner and I got great deals on this excellent machine. Other than a bit more engine HP, I think these are basically the same size machine. I am amazed at what I can do with it. You cant compare these TLB's with the B series compact tractors as they are way more robust than the B1700-2400 or even the newer B29XX series. Look at the specs and you will see thousands of pounds more weight on the B21/B26 TLB tractors.
You might get this one for $17K even or even less if you bargain with them, but the listed price with only 98 hours is pretty good. My deal was kind of a once in a life time price and I grabbed it up.

Mine does have a hydraulic thumb which after using it for about 300 hours, I wouldn't buy another TLB without one. Does the B21 have a thumb? That adds about another $2K to the price

Wow!!! You stole it. Would you like to sell it for that now? When the price was $19,850 for this B21, I figured for that price I would just put a little more with it and get a B26. The B26's are super nice and I like the upgrades they added from the B21. The only bad thing for me is it seems that they grew a little in size and I like the size of the B21 for my small place. Maybe it is just perception, but I think part of it is the longer loader arms and it is definitely taller. I agree they are much more robust than the other B series and then have the position control on the 3 pt. Unfortunately the B21 does not have the thumb. My L3800 had the mechanical thumb and it as nice. I guess I would have to steal downsizingnow's design and add one. I would also want to add the quick attach for the loader as my last two tractors have had that and I don't think I could live without it. Do you think I should be skipping the B21 and waiting for the right deal to come along on a B26?

As for need of the TLB, well maybe you wont need it a lot but it has sure come in handy for me on my 11 acres. I do a lot of freebie work for my brother in law and recently my next door neighbor has discovered how handy the B26 is. It started out just digging up and transplanted some shrubs, then I removed a couple of stumps, removed some unwanted bushes and small trees in the back yard next to property line, levelled some dirt piles, hauled some dirt to fill in doggy holes, dug a hole to install an 18 foot tall light pole and still more work to do I am sure.

After they saw what could be done with it, all kinds of things needing done but hadn't been attempted due in part to no equipment and they only have about an acre. I love doing the work because it keeps me active rather than just setting around the TV watching re-runs.

EDIT: Almost forgot about digging up the big yellow jacket nest for them too. Managed it without even one sting although the application of about a quart of gasoline to the nest first did help.

Gary, I checked out your threads and like your projects. I know a lot of those small projects would get done with the BH around. Everyone around here has 2 plus acres and I end up helping my neighbors quite a bit, so essentially my small place grows with helping everyone. Two more years here to get the kids through school and then hope to move out a little further and get more land again.
 
   / Kubota B21 Advice #14  
The B21 has position control on the 3 pt where as the others you mention do not, as far as I know

FWIW...My B1700 has position control...
 
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FWIW...My B1700 has position control...

When did they stop with position control and go to quarter inching then? Does the B1700 have power steering or assist also?

Thanks,
Russ
 
   / Kubota B21 Advice #16  
When did they stop with position control and go to quarter inching then? Does the B1700 have power steering or assist also?
Thanks,
Russ

Sorry I can't answer on the time frame of quarter inching/position control...My 1700 is a '95' with full power steering,,,
 
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   / Kubota B21 Advice #18  
Interesting. I always struggle with Kubota model designations. So many and it seems to jump all over, maybe it is just me. Looks like maybe the B7400 followed the B1700 in 2000 model year and the position control went away??

TractorData.com Kubota B1700 tractor information

TractorData.com Kubota B7400 tractor information

The biggest difference I see in these two is the 7400 is hydro only...The later 7410 is a closer match to the 1700 but it does have quarter inching...
 
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   / Kubota B21 Advice #19  
I have owned both the B21 and the B26 and if you can possible afford a B26 I would definitely go that route. They are both very good machines but there is a lot of additional power in the B26 hoe and an additional 200 - 300 pounds lifting ability with the loader. The other important difference not to be overlooked is the seat of the B26 which actually has some padding and is much more comfortable - especially if you are going to be on the tractor for a long period of time. The very thinly padded B21 seat is not much more than steel with vinyl on it and operators of a certain age will definitely feel the difference after a long day.

There was no thumb option for the B21 but most B26's that I have seen were plumbed for the thumb and then you just need to add the thumb. Not inexpensive but as Gary Fowler points out money well spent. As far as maneuverability I did not find the B26 any larger on my small property than the B21.

If you do get the B21 you can purchase an adapter for the loader to give it SSQA capability the same as the B26. I did this on my B21 for around $500 and then added an inexpensive set of forks for about $400. I think the thumb is a real necessity on the hoe and I think a loader really needs a set of forks too. I don't take my current L45 anywhere without my forks as there are very few jobs where they are not useful at some point. If you go the SSQA route on the B21 be sure and check the roll back and dump angles before and after the installation. My dealer installed an early adapter kit from a supplier and the angles were not nearly the same. When I pointed this out the manufacturer stepped up and modified the kit to correct the deficiencies.

You will not go wrong with either the B21 or the B26.

Regards,

Lauren
 
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Hi Lauren,

Thanks for all the very helpful info. Yes, I think I would want the SSQA and a thumb. I stopped by the dealer yesterday and spent a fair amount of time playing around with the B21. It was nice the dealer has some land out back with dirt piles to play in. The B21 was very nice and very heavy duty, but maybe just not exactly what I was looking for. I am still "sleeping on it". I have sat on the B26's, but have not had the chance to run one. I do like the fact the B26 has more room in the operators station and the nicer seat. Probably to save having to adapt the SSQA and a thumb, I might try to find a B26 and pass on this B21. By the time I start adding these items, I will be getting closer to what the B26's are selling for. I will keep you guys posted.

Thanks again,
Russ
 

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