L5030 T& not so Tilt?

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jhbusa

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Kubota L5030 HST
Got a factory T&T kit with a new L5030 and a box blade. The cylinder side of the 3 pt arm goes about 5 degrees down (below level) at full tilt. When tilting the other direction (lifting the cylinder arm of the 3 pt) it goes almost 40 - 45 degrees at full tilt!? Am I doing something wrong? Is something installed wrong? Or ... is this normal?
 
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Jeff, extend the cylinder half way, then adjust the opposite side so it's level. They did put the manually adjustable link on the opposite side from the cylinder didn't they? Then you'll have the same degree of tilt each direction. Of course, if you only want it to tilt one direction, then you can retract the cylinder and adjust the opposite side so it's level and have a drastic tilt to one side.
 
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Thanks bird. They did not put the manual tilt on the other side! It is the fixed / static version that comes with the tractor. I"ll swap them and give it a shot. Thanks again!
 
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Jeff,

I had a problem with my tilt cylinder leaking down gradually when bushhogging and had a tough time keeping the cutter level. I adjusted my manual link so that my lift arms were level with the tilt cylinder completely retracted. I only have tilt in one direction, but it's a lot easier to know that the implement is level.
 
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Thats the way I do it to. I can however use the second hole in either the tilt cylinder or in the solid link on the left hand side to quickly change that. I like that when it's "sucked up" all the way, I'm level. In many hours of mowing, the tilt cylinder may drop a fraction of an inch. I'm so accustom to tapping the center hydraulic valve periodically that controls the tilt. Whether it has dropped any or not, I still tap it. It also lets me get the box scraper in level with respect to the tractor.
 
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I had time to swap the fixed length arm with the adjustable one on the opposite side of the hydraulics tonight. Didn't have time to try and level or see if I could get the tilt angle roughly the same for both sides. I'll play with it this weekend. Thanks for the help.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I had a problem with my tilt cylinder leaking down gradually when bushhogging and had a tough time keeping the cutter level. I adjusted my manual link so that my lift arms were level with the tilt cylinder completely retracted. I only have tilt in one direction, but it's a lot easier to know that the implement is level. )</font>

I have my tilt cylinder set up the same way.
I also was having the same problem with my tilt cylinder leaking down (it was getting real annoying). I replaced my top and tilt cylinders with the ones from CCM with the check valves.
No more leak down since, much better now..
 
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Leveled great. Now the leak down is nasty. I'll have to fight with the dealer again. These cyls are only 3 - 4 weeks old!
 
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If it's the cylinders leaking past the piston o ring, your not going to solve your problem with a check valve arrangement. You may very well be leaking past your valve. A check valve will eliminate tht as a issue. It is more common to have the leakage at the valve(s).
 
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This weekend I mowed 10 acres (no flowers finally) and I started with the top and tilt. I was getting it level in the garage and I marked the cylinders to the level mark. By the time I was going to drive out it had dropped 1/4 inch so I took them off and put the original top and side link on. After I was finished mowing I put the top Hydraulic cylinder on to raise the rear (supported) so I could sharpen the blades.

I think I will only use the top and tilt with the box blade. With the box blade I am constantly change the angle and cut of the blade and the I don't notice any leak down.
 
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Jeff,

What cylinder seems to be leaking down? Is it the top link cylinder or the side tilt cylinder? Both?
If only one cylinder seems to be leaking down try swapping the hookup at the tractor remotes. If it's the control valve the symptom should move to the other cylinder. If the problem cylinder continues to leak down it would indicate to me that it's the cylinder and not the valve. If the cylinders are only 3-4 weeks old your dealer should be able to help you remedy the problem. First, try to verify if it's the cylinder or the control valve.
 
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I just had my 5030 return from the dealer after having leak down problems. I'd have to constantly adjust the cylinders or I'd have one side of my bush hog 5" lower than the other. Although it took them two weeks to fix it, I learned much about it.
First, do you have the quick coupler releases where your T&T attach? If so, Kubota says that it is normal for it to leak down up to 3/4" an hour. If your T&T is set up direct, you should only lose about 1/4" an hour. I have the quick release, and mine was leaking over an inch in 3 minutes.
It turned out that I had a blown seal in one of my front loader cylinders. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I'd been moving the FEL constantly to either move stuff, or to see under or over it, so I hadn't noticed it leaking down. Needless to say, that isn't the first place the dealer looked when I'd complained about the T&T leaking down. I still don't know how it made such a difference, but after they replaced the one cylinder on the FEL, I quit having problems with the T&T. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Do you have leak down problems with your FEL? Kubota does have specific allowable leak down tolerances for each, and your dealer can get them from Kubota.
As others have described, if you only have one cylinder leaking, it could be that cylinder. However, it was explained to me that the tilt cylinder almost always has more pull on it with most implements than the top cylinder. That means that you'll notice the tilt leaking faster than the top even if the problem is elsewhere. Either way, your dealer should be able to find the problem. Mine apparently had them confused and looking in the wrong place, but with the factory's help, they found the problem when testing everything in the hydro system. Good luck!
 
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Thanks guys. I'll take this mail to the Dealer.

Seems to be just the side / tilt cylinder. I haven't noticed any leak down anywhere but the tilt ... and it is severe. At least 3 inches per hour with the tractor on and running the whole time.

Dargo, I do have the quick attach.

Good idea Glen. I'll try swapping some hoses.

I've only used it with the box blade thus far. But it sure is annoying.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Seems to be just the side / tilt cylinder. I haven't noticed any leak down anywhere but the tilt ... and it is severe. At least 3 inches per hour with the tractor on and running the whole time. )</font>

I thought my old tilt cylinder leaking down 1/2" per hour was annoying, and that was with a $35 tie rod cylinder made to fit.
3" per hours makes the tilt cylinder pretty much useless..
Since I added my CCM/check valve cylinders I can leave the 3 point up with the boxblade on all week with 0 leakdown..
 

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