Large Garden Plot from Pasture

   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #11  
It is too late for this year, but I want to plan on a large ~100x50 garden plot for next year. My little backyard garden is not enough to put up any veggies for the winter and that is what I am striving to work towards. The area where this is going to happen is a hay field that my friend's own about an hour from my house. So the 3 challenges to overcome before next spring are: 1)Beating out the pasture grass and creating a good soil bed that is up to the challenge. 2)coming up with a good plan to beat the weeds 3)making this as low maintenance as possible.

What kind of advice do you have?
It looks like you have 14 acres. I assume there is some reason you can't grow a garden on your own land. I've found that it doesn't take long for the weeds to get away from you. I may only be able to weed for 1/2 hour some mornings before it gets hot, but I try to avoid sweat and like the early morning hours or work slower in the afternoon. I wouldn't be able to do that if the garden wasn't at home.
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #12  
I have 40 acres that are 62 miles away from me. Currently I have some cows there, but my long term goal is to bring the cows to the farm I live on, and convert that land into a hay farm. The drive is my biggest challenge. It's not just the two hours of travel, but also making sure I have enough time to work on the place while I'm there.

Where I live, we started out with a big open area for a garden. It was about 50x50 feet. I ran my disk through it a bunch of times to break it all up, and create planting rows. We added some fertilizer to the soil and a few other things to improve it.

Veggies grew pretty good, some better then others. Then the weeds took off. It went from a minor thing to keep the weeds under control, to a full blown, overwhelming headache. Then Summer hit, and there wasn't enough water to keep the soil wet, so it became concrete and even harder to weed, but since it's so hot here, and the soil became so hard, the veggies all died on us.
We fought that battle for two years without any significant improvement. Then we went with raised beds. Each bed is 4x16 from treated 2x8's with a 3 foot walkway between them. The walkway was a constant battle to control the grass and weeds until I started spreading mulch. That was a game changer, the mulch makes it easy to remove the occasional weed, and it keeps us from walking in mud. It also makes the garden look really good, which is nice too!!! Every Spring, Lowes has a sale where the 2 cubic foot bags of mulch are $2 each. Last year I bought 6 pallets. This year I bought 4 pallets. Not all of it ended up in the garden last year because we have big dogs and they destroy the grass, so we're spreading mulch there too. But I should have enough this year to finally have every pathway in the garden mulched!!!

I bought quite a few dump truck loads of good, loaming, garden dirt. It's kind of crazy to buy dirt when you have land, but all my dirt is red clay, and the garden dirt is night and day better for growing veggies.

I did four beds the first year, 4 more the next year, then 8 the following year and another 8 the year after that. Now we're planning on another row of 8 beds later in the year, or maybe in the winter months so they will be ready for planting next year.

After having raised beds for awhile now, I'm a complete believer in them. We're getting more veggies, in less area, that's easier to take care of. We're still working on our watering. My wife just finished the Master Gardener program put on by A&M, and she learned that we where doing a lot of things wrong, so more changes to how we're planting, and watering. Everything is on drip hoses now, that's been this years project. I'm running PEX to each bed with it's own valve. Each line does 8 beds, and I adjust the water flow to make them all even with the valves. Before we where using big sprinklers to water the entire area. That worked, but we where wasting a lot of water.

We also learned that too much sun is a bad thing, so we're planting trees on the West side of the garden to provide shade in the afternoon. Morning sun is all we really need to get everything to grow.

As others have suggested, I think you would be more productive, and get better results if you found a place closer to have your garden, or maybe rethink what you are doing at home and see if you can get more out of what you already have.

Since starting the Master Gardener program, my wife has become the "plant rescuer" Friends give her dying plants all the time now, sometimes dozens of them at a time. She has dedicated two of our raised beds to saving these plants. Most are flowering plants of some kind that will end up somewhere on our land. She has also been put in charge of removing all of the flowers at the University Nursing Garden because they are building a new building there. She also volunteers to work at the City Greenhouse

The garden is also a great place to hide Easter eggs!!!

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   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #13  
I'd never drive an hour each way for a garden. I grew up gardening and farming with my dad. The farm was 5 miles from home. Roughly 10 minutes drive time. Even that is a pain when you HAVE to do it 5 to 6 days a week. When the tomatoes and cucumbers and squash and the peppers and the beans and the okra are ready, they are ready. Lots of those need picking on a daily basis or you are just going to toss that 6 inch diameter squash and cucumber or that foot long okra. Get a piece of land closer or just forget it. Too much work to let half go to waste....just sayin
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #14  
There is no way to justify an hour drive to a small garden plot. You’d be much better off spending the next year making a smaller plot at home more efficient. Assume you go to the garden three times a week (which isn’t enough) between May and the end of August and it’s 50 miles. That’s 96 hours wasted driving time (more than two work weeks, just driving). That’s an oil change in the vehicle at 4,800 miles. That’s ~$1k in gas at 20 mpg, $4/gal.

And you haven’t even touched the garden yet. What could you do with 90 hrs and $1,200 to improve the garden in the back yard?
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #15  
I'm in agreement that the distance is the biggest joy-killer of the package. Calculate the cost of a year's travel--others have already given a lot of the information--and put that into your backyard operation. Raised beds are becoming a more popular option here in upstate NY, so they may be worth the investment. We have a lot of Amish in the area who seem to produce a lot of vegetables on some very small parcels. It may pay to see how other productive small plot owners manage their plots.
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #16  
Unless I missed it, no one has mentioned water.

You'll need water for a garden. You can't rely on rain. Without it, you're dead in thwe water.
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #17  
Cover the land with 6 mil black plastic sheeting. This will kill off any weeds, grass growing under it. I use it in my garden all the time. Cover the sheeting with mulch to help it last longer. The sun will deteriorate it if left uncovered. Works better than chemicals and less harmful. Drip irrigation for your watering.
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #18  
It is too late for this year, but I want to plan on a large ~100x50 garden plot for next year. My little backyard garden is not enough to put up any veggies for the winter and that is what I am striving to work towards. The area where this is going to happen is a hay field that my friend's own about an hour from my house. So the 3 challenges to overcome before next spring are: 1)Beating out the pasture grass and creating a good soil bed that is up to the challenge. 2)coming up with a good plan to beat the weeds 3)making this as low maintenance as possible.

What kind of advice do you have?
Advice? Take half the money you would spend on gas and wear/tear on your vehicle driving an hour each way multiple time, plus the equipment you would have to buy, AND the chiropractor bills for your back, go to the local Farmer's Market and buy home-grown produce. Let others to what inevitably becomes hard work and tiresome/boring work, while you save money and don't have to do anything. You get to pick the best of what's available, pay for it, go home and enjoy it.

We used to have a large garden years ago. It became a chore and not at all enjoyable. And it was right here in our back yard.
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #19  
Advice? Take half the money you would spend on gas and wear/tear on your vehicle driving an hour each way multiple time, plus the equipment you would have to buy, AND the chiropractor bills for your back, go to the local Farmer's Market and buy home-grown produce. Let others to what inevitably becomes hard work and tiresome/boring work, while you save money and don't have to do anything. You get to pick the best of what's available, pay for it, go home and enjoy it.

We used to have a large garden years ago. It became a chore and not at all enjoyable. And it was right here in our back yard.
You've stepped in now. The back door is that direction.
 
   / Large Garden Plot from Pasture #20  
I did this with a rotary mower as low as can be and then a rotary tiller just 3" down. My mistake was not leaving it long enough between tills as I was in a rush to get planted and some of the grass is re-sprouting. If I had the time I would do the section, in fall, plant a winter cover and then do it again in spring.

Water is my biggest pain point now, I have a IBC up 4ft and a DC pump that pumps a hose pipe, but its just too slow.

Second challenge is mulch, I am using old hay bails but some wood chips etc are needed to compost a bit before using.

Best wishes!
 

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