Leak in front end 4WH seal- 187D yanmar

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sacsr

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Yanmar 187D Terramite T5C Bush Hog D4-10
I noticed oil coming out of one of the front axle below the knuckle. I have attached picture to show the area. Not a ton of oil...had some on the floor of my trailer...but probably less than 3-5 ounces....over night some leaking but did not reach the ground....later today saw a trail of oil on the tire...so it is still coming out....I am concerned with 2 things....1) I may have caused it by how I tighten down my tractor to my trailer.... 2) what seal should I buy to repair this....

I also noticed that my front is loader is not holding pressure....it was a foot off the ground when I went to bed last night ....and on the ground this morning.....have not seen any hydraulic leaks at this point....best plan of action here would be ????

thanks for your help

Scott
 

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Not familiar with the 187d knuckle seals. Have changed my 2002d but yours looks considerably different. If your hydraulic leak down is internal and evidently not to bad I wouldn't mess with it. It could be at either cylinder or the control valve. Yanmar Tractor Parts This is like mine, may not be like yours.
 
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Thanks Winston. Mine is not like the one Hoye is showing. I looked at that picture/schematic last night....wish it was that easy. I usually go through Hoye's so will call Aaron tomorrow. I am concerned that how I am tying down the tractor may be putting too much pressure on the axle and these seals....right now it is off the trailer....next time I have it on the trailer and tied down I will get a picture taken and see what everyone thinks.

I decided not to use it over the weekend...just in case the axle started leaking really bad.

The leak in my hydraulics is not bad....over night it will go down but not noticeable when using it. I will just watch to make sure it does not get any worse.

This is my first tractor so I am learning what is acceptable and what is not.

Scott
 
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Everybody knows I have an opinion so here goes on this. Unless you have a bad bearing or something that is allowing excessive movement I don't believe tying your tractor down would damage your knuckle seals. Both of mine have been changed but I believe leakage occurred because of 27 years or so of aging and wear. I probably shouldn't confess this but I normally don't tie my tractor down unless going a long distance and then not tightly.
 
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Fill the axles with 90wt, then keep topped off with Lucas Power Steering Stop Leak, and check back in about 10 years;). No magic on the loader leakdown, other than to ID the offending part and rebuild/replace.
 
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Hydraulic leak down is pretty normal. Most all hydraulics involve at one place or another a metal on metal valve seat that usually will leak a drop or two a minute. If you are not noticing operational issues I wouldn't worry about it. I always set my bucket down so haven't noticed something similar. If your 3PH goes down over night with no weight on it, that'd be a little more alarming.

I can't help with the front axles. Actually could use a little learning on those myself.
 
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If the o-rings are beyond salvaging with stop-leak they are at least cheap to buy , but a little bit labor intensive to replace. Ask Gary Jamieson or Leonard Sheaffer, but it looks as though 1401D,180D,186D and 187D all share that front end and I'll bet others do as well.
 
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I noticed oil coming out of one of the front axle below the knuckle. I have attached picture to show the area. I also noticed that my front is loader is not holding pressure....it was a foot off the ground when I went to bed last night ....and on the ground this morning.....have not seen any hydraulic leaks at this point....best plan of action here would be ????
Scott

I'm not sure that you have any problems that need repair. Sounds like normal wear. I've got all the books and manuals, but if I remember correctly there isn't even a seal in that area. There are other seals, but not there. The way that Yanmar built their tower gear front end was in three sections and when I used to look at them on the bench I always wondered if they originally started designing them to hold three separate oil supplies. One for the center front differential and one each for the tower gears that drive the front stub axles. Yanmar never did explain the front end oil requirements to my satisfaction. What happens is - usually -after draining all the old fluid from the front axle that you can, you put in oil via the filler plug on top of the center axle section to about the level to cover the axle. That's hard enough to tell, but that's not the whole story. There are sometimes (not always!) three drain plugs! One is always under the center axle section plus sometimes one each under the right and left tower gears that drive the front wheels. But the not always. Not all of the iterations of the tower gear lower plates had those drain plugs by the tires. On most, the tower gears seem to get their lube by what makes it's way through the spaces between the balls in the bearings for the axles that drive the right angle tower gears. Alternately, you can take off one of the mounting bolts on the top of the tower gear housing and inject some oil in there...but if you put oil in that way there will be too much oil so that it will run out of the joint that your picture is pointing at. It causes a mess, but not a real problem. Maybe there is some info in the old service notes. I'll look up some of those this evening. But it sounds like you are fine. Sorry to ramble on so much, but the truth is that those early tower gear front ends are wonderful designs but they will often leak a bit there where your picture shows plus they will always leak there if overfilled or too much oil makes it way to the towers. No real problem with the leak, what you want to make sure is that there isn't any water that made it's way inside and is standing in the lowest places. And if yours doesn't have the three drain plugs that can be difficult to decide.
I'd say don't worry about it and do get an original shop and parts manual and try to figure out how yours should be. Yanmar made several changes to those parts. Till then just use it.

No, I doubt you tied it down too tight and hurt anything... but cranking down on front tydowns will obviously put all the clearances to one side and make any normal seepage leak faster.

As for the loader or 3 pt dropping overnight the truth is that almost all implements do that. Most - not all - will leak down. Some take an hour and others take all night. Every tractor and every brand either does that or can sometimes do that and it's normal too. I've a 30 year old Yanmar the doesn't and one that does. So leave the implements down when you park. It's safer that way and protects against kids playing with levers and dropping heavy metal on their toes. Yanmar does give a spec for leakdown on new parts for the 3pt and if I remember right the factory limit is one inch in 30 minutes. Frankly, most are set up better than that, and some are less worn or were just made tighter and will stay up all night and others will not. Again, all tractors can/will leak down and drop their implements to the ground slowly but at varying speeds after you shut it down. Partly it's how they were set up and partly how the hydraulic clearances wear. You could probably change that, but the answer is: Don't leave them raised up.
Enjoy, rScotty
 
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An oil seal is shown there in the parts diagram for the 186D. Doesn't the 187D use the same front end ? (seal #194447-13650)
 
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Thanks for all the good info...going to try the additive first. Then decide if to go further or not.

I talked with Adrian at Hoyes yesterday and he sent me a break down of the front end....if I really get motivated this weekend....may take it apart ...for no other reason ....than to learn how it works.

I do have the drains at the bottom of the towers on both sides....so should be easy to drain ....did not see any milky oil when I was cleaning up...it still is leaking...not a ton but you can see fresh oil on the tires...

I have the owners manual but not the service manual....currently on my wish list. With 3 in college...alot of things stay on my wish list.

Good to know about the hydraulics.....again I am a rookie...so alot of questions that to some may seem trival...but if you don't know....you got to ask!
I usually keep the front end loader down on the ground....but had been working cleaning up and greasing everything and decided to leave it a foot off the ground to see if it would hold.....

Can not imagine how I lived without internet forums in the past....I have repaired golf carts, motorcycles, bought tractors after gaining knowledge off the internet, etc with the help of others like yourselves. Thanks for taking the time to answer! It is appreciated!:thumbsup:

Scott
 

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