LEMONS!

[tungularafishcamp]

Thanks Diamond Pilot, I thought there were 2 folks that rid of the duramax's early but must have read yours 2x. Just wanted a heads up what to look for as a new truck is a long way off for me.
Thanks,
Rick

 

[TripleR]

I called my S-10 the 'Vega Incarnate' among many other things.



I put little stock in Condemner Reports as they think they're experts on everything. The local news ran a story on CR recommending wine for Thanksgiving dinner.

I see Motor Trend named the Chevy Volt as car of the year. Wow, how many years has Chevy been promising this over priced subsidized ride based on the Cruze platform?

The operative words are "may be", I am not going to be the one to find out for sure. I just hate to do brand bashing.

Have to agree on Consumer Reports and canceled my membership years ago. I don't know of any really reliable source anymore.

 

[Builder]

The operative words are "may be", I am not going to be the one to find out for sure. I just hate to do brand bashing.

Have to agree on Consumer Reports and canceled my membership years ago. I don't know of any really reliable source anymore.

You don't need a magazine to get the "reliable source" information you need. Best thing to do is ask people who actually own/operate the equipment you are thinking of buying to make a living. They will give you real time, real life info. Another good source is people who fix what you want to buy.

The internet is only a little better with a lot of prevarication and brand loyalty obscuring the truth. You also get a lot of scorned buyers and ex owners that are on a one man mission to trash the company they bought an unsatisfactory unit from.

 

[Bird]

Several people have mentioned how bad the S10 pickup and Blazers were. One of my brothers bought a new 4 cylinder S10 in 1997, traded it off for a Colorado when the S10 had over 180k miles on it. Now the Colorado didn't last him long, before he got rid of it and now drives a Ford F150. When my grandson first got his drivers license 5 years ago, his mother bought him an '89 S10 with the V-6 that already had about 120k miles on it. Nice little truck that he only sold last year and only because a relative's death resulted in him being given a Chevy 1500.

 

[TripleR]

Several people have mentioned how bad the S10 pickup and Blazers were. One of my brothers bought a new 4 cylinder S10 in 1997, traded it off for a Colorado when the S10 had over 180k miles on it. Now the Colorado didn't last him long, before he got rid of it and now drives a Ford F150. When my grandson first got his drivers license 5 years ago, his mother bought him an '89 S10 with the V-6 that already had about 120k miles on it. Nice little truck that he only sold last year and only because a relative's death resulted in him being given a Chevy 1500.

My theory is that just as any normally reliable company can occasionally put out a lemon, an equally unreliable one apparently can make a good one.

I don't judge any company by one experience, I had a POS 69 Chevelle; went through three engines in 30 thousand miles, but later bought a Nova.

 

[Ford tractor]

How bout the PINTO!

rear collision = KABOOM!!!! :laughing:

As long as the people filming put a lit road flare under it before smacking it at 70 mph...

oops, my bad. I forgot that adding facts does nothing to further a brand discussion!:laughing:


(By the way, I'm driving a GM, but will NEVER buy one again since they went socialist. More likely to get a foreign job or a (removed) as Chrysler is socialist too. Had my mother-in-law get a Subaru. Good vehicle for her.)

 

[Dargo]

You don't need a magazine to get the "reliable source" information you need. Best thing to do is ask people who actually own/operate the equipment you are thinking of buying to make a living. They will give you real time, real life info.

LOL! Where do you think Consumer Reports gets their reliability data?! It is from people who actually own those vehicles!!! Duh! They don't sit around and take votes. They send out hundreds of thousands of surveys and simply compile the data they receive. Sorry if the masses disagree with you. I'm sure somebody somewhere is driving around a Yugo wondering why everyone says that they are no good.

 

[Dargo]

How bout the PINTO!

rear collision = KABOOM!!!! :laughing:

Ever heard of Ralph Nader? :laughing:

 

[Bird]

LOL! Where do you think Consumer Reports gets their reliability data?! It is from people who actually own those vehicles!!! Duh! They don't sit around and take votes. They send out hundreds of thousands of surveys and simply compile the data they receive. Sorry if the masses disagree with you. I'm sure somebody somewhere is driving around a Yugo wondering why everyone says that they are no good.

Yes, they send out the surveys and then sometimes don't agree with the survey results, so they actually do the rating on what they think of the products themselves. And when I saw that a couple of times (you have to read the entire report; not just their rating) is when I dropped my subscription and quit believing anything they have to say.

 

[Builder]

As long as the people filming put a lit road flare under it before smacking it at 70 mph...

oops, my bad. I forgot that adding facts does nothing to further a brand discussion!:laughing:


(By the way, I'm driving a GM, but will NEVER buy one again since they went socialist. More likely to get a foreign job or a (removed) as Chrysler is socialist too. Had my mother-in-law get a Subaru. Good vehicle for her.)

Might want to get YOUR facts straight while you're at it. That was the old style GM trucks that Diane Sawyer tried to get to blow up the fuel tank by using pyrotechnics to help blow it up.

The Pinto, and now the Crown Victoria blow up just fine in rear collisions without any added fireworks necessary.

You'd think Ford would have maybe learned from the lawsuits of the last people who were incinerated to death, but Ford needed to incinerate to death some innocent law enforcement officers just to top the Pinto debacle.

 

[ultrarunner]

Growing up in the family car business... I've had experience with most of the vehicles mentioned... except Diesels. I'm also a Lemon Law Arbitrator in my State.

I currently have in the family Fords, Chevrolet, Chrysler, VW, BMW, Toyota, Rover Honda and lots of antique and classics. Can't complain about the service of any of them... my 85 Chevrolet Van has been a real trouper as is my 91 Silverado... the old Plymouth Valiant I had in High School is still on the road as is Mom's old 72 Toyota.

If I had to pick the most troublesome of the bunch... it would be the S10... nice little truck that was plagued with electrical problems and never got anywhere near the mileage promised... just about everyone I know has experienced Instrument Cluster issues...

 

[Builder]

If that is aimed at me and my 05 Dmax. Here is the short list.

Bed repainted
Bad U joint in the drive shaft
Leaking tranny cooler lines
Leaking transfer case
In two time for bad injectors
Glow plug issues
Constant blown fuses
Broken hood hinge (I attribute this to it being opened so much for service)
Overheated with 15,000# behind it.
ect.

I sold it after 9 months for a new 2006 6L Ford F350. I make a living with my trucks and the down time was a killer. Only issue with the F-350 has been a bad dash cluster. Actually a bad fuel gauge.

The S-10 Blazer is documented a page back.

Chris

So you'll throw GM under the bus on a daily basis because you got a bad one and they are 40% gov't owned, yet you'll extoll the virtues of a Jinma Chinese tractor built by a gov't controlled society on a daily basis that regularly steals American inventions/patents, plays games their monetary systems to mess up the American economy and treats it's citizenry to the point of being the world's foremost in human rights violations?

:laughing: That's freakin HILARIOUS.

 

[Builder]

LOL! Where do you think Consumer Reports gets their reliability data?! It is from people who actually own those vehicles!!! Duh! They don't sit around and take votes. They send out hundreds of thousands of surveys and simply compile the data they receive. Sorry if the masses disagree with you. I'm sure somebody somewhere is driving around a Yugo wondering why everyone says that they are no good.

Wrong!!! They get data on the PERFORMANCE of the vehicle from road their own road tests, slaloms, skid pads, bumper bashers, etc. All that silly crap they think is important.

They might get opinion surveys, but they conduct their own irrelevant tests to come to some of the dumbest conclusions on equipment they have NO CLUE how to operate in a real world enviroment. The original intent of a diesel pickup is not used to go through a slalom, or go to a race track. It was made for WORK.

Show me a CR test where the full size truck gets equipped with a rack & boxes loaded with tools & lumber or a snowplow. You can't and no matter how much you say you love CR (Communist Reports) they just don't cut it when it comes to testing commercial trucks, or many other pieces of equipment for that matter.

So Double-DUH to you!

 

[ultrarunner]

Wrong!!! They get data on the PERFORMANCE of the vehicle from road their own road tests, slaloms, skid pads, bumper bashers, etc. All that silly crap they think is important.

They might get opinion surveys, but they conduct their own irrelevant tests to come to some of the dumbest conclusions on equipment they have NO CLUE how to operate in a real world enviroment. The original intent of a diesel pickup is not used to go through a slalom, or go to a race track. It was made for WORK.

Show me a CR test where the full size truck gets equipped with a rack & boxes loaded with tools & lumber or a snowplow. You can't and no matter how much you say you love CR (Communist Reports) they just don't cut it when it comes to testing commercial trucks, or many other pieces of equipment for that matter.

So Double-DUH to you!

Consumer Reports awarded my vehicle the title of Worst Ever... Cannot Recommend...

I couldn't disagree more fervently... my Suzuki Samurai has exceeded all my expectations... rugged, solid as nails reliable and excellent resale should I ever want to sell...

 

[Dargo]

Oh, you're a funny guy. I've worked with repair shops for the last 20+ years on tens of thousands of repairs. Facts are facts. How about you stick to what you know (at least I assume), which is building and not try to tell me my business. It makes you look silly when you contradict indisputable facts.

I'll tell you what, walk into any car dealership and ask them how much a service contract will cost on a GM product and then compare that to the cost on a Ford product. Just like auto insurance rates vehicles with letter ratings, all factories and aftermarket warranty companies rate warranty and service contract costs based on actuarial statistics gathered from actual repair data.

So you can say "wrong" to the thousands of surveys reported and to all the data gathered over the years by tens of thousands of repairs all you want. To be honest, I kinda get a kick out of you doing such things. Your issue is that you let your emotions and personal preferences get in the way of actual facts. Your comments make about as much sense to me as if I told you that vinyl siding is stronger than brick would make to you. It wouldn't matter how much I loved vinyl and was passionate about it, it just doesn't compare to brick when kids go to throwing rocks against it.

 

[Builder]

Consumer Reports awarded my vehicle the title of Worst Ever... Cannot Recommend...

I couldn't disagree more fervently... my Suzuki Samurai has exceeded all my expectations... rugged, solid as nails reliable and excellent resale should I ever want to sell...

:laughing::laughing: Ain't CR "the best"??

 

[Dargo]

Wrong!!! They get data on the PERFORMANCE of the vehicle from road their own road tests, slaloms, skid pads, bumper bashers, etc. All that silly crap they think is important.

By the way, you have no clue here either. They use that data only for their opinions for which vehicle would be more useful for specific tasks. All, not some, but all data for reliability is from actual surveys sent in by people who own those vehicles. Do yourself a favor and look into it a bit before you open mouth and insert foot.

 

[Builder]

Oh, you're a funny guy. I've worked with repair shops for the last 20+ years on tens of thousands of repairs. Facts are facts. How about you stick to what you know (at least I assume), which is building and not try to tell me my business. It makes you look silly when you contradict indisputable facts.

I'll tell you what, walk into any car dealership and ask them how much a service contract will cost on a GM product and then compare that to the cost on a Ford product. Just like auto insurance rates vehicles with letter ratings, all factories and aftermarket warranty companies rate warranty and service contract costs based on actuarial statistics gathered from actual repair data.

So you can say "wrong" to the thousands of surveys reported and to all the data gathered over the years by tens of thousands of repairs all you want. To be honest, I kinda get a kick out of you doing such things. Your issue is that you let your emotions and personal preferences get in the way of actual facts. Your comments make about as much sense to me as if I told you that vinyl siding is stronger than brick would make to you. It wouldn't matter how much I loved vinyl and was passionate about it, it just doesn't compare to brick when kids go to throwing rocks against it.

Talk all the big game you want. Throw all the insults you want at me. Emotions? Try experience. Every day baby for 25+ years I'm on the backhoe, driving the dumptruck, operating equipment. That's real world experience, much different from selling auto parts and building your own pond. Even though CR is your trusted source for buying equipment, I don't care what they say. I would buy equipment based on what people with actual experience operating it say, not what some magazine article writer that took a Ford Superduty out on a slalom ride writes about it.

I want to know about a Harley rake, I come here and ask actual owner/operators, go to jobsites and talk to excavators, not buy an issue of Consumer Reports. :laughing:

But you go ahead, but your equipment based on CR statistics. I'll buy mine based on info gathered from people who actually own/operate it for a living.

 

[Builder]

By the way, you have no clue here either. They use that data only for their opinions for which vehicle would be more useful for specific tasks. All, not some, but all data for reliability is from actual surveys sent in by people who own those vehicles. Do yourself a favor and look into it a bit before you open mouth and insert foot.

Your ad homenim personal attacks fail to address that real world operator experience is a better source of info than Consumer Reports!

You pick up your CR magazine and buy your equipment, I'll hit the streets and talk to people.

Take a deep breath & relax, no need for personal attacks!