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Price Check Looking for current pricing for a ck30 hst
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Kiohio
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In terms of frame size the CK30 matches up to the B3030 much better than the L3130. The L3130 matches more closely in frame size to the DK35, but the DK has more horsepower. Kubota likes to split hairs with their tractor models. Brilliant marketers.....(not a "cut" to Kubota either guys)
In the tractor market today you really have to do a frame size match-up and then compare specs. It's getting harder and harder to do apples/apples comparisons.
KO
In the tractor market today you really have to do a frame size match-up and then compare specs. It's getting harder and harder to do apples/apples comparisons.
KO
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Kioho, I'm going to have to disagree with you. As the owner of a B2910, I can tell you that the CK30 is much more of a machine in every way except engine power.
The overall length of the CK30 is 122"
The overall length of the L3130 is 124" So they are virtually the same length.
The overall length of the B2910 is only 106", which is almost a foot and a half shorter than the CK30.
The L3130 is wider by 5" than the CK30. The CK30 is about the same width as the B2910, so for its length, the CK30 is a narrower machine.
The wheelbase of the CK30 and the B2910 are within about an inch of each other, the L3130 has a longer wheelbase by about 5", so the CK30 has more length in front of the front axle and/or longer lower links(?) than the L3130.
As for weight, the CK 30 is about 3050# & the L3130 is about 3200# (weights vary with transmissions). So they are very close in weight.
The B2910 is only 1890#, so it is roughly 1200# (over a half a ton) less than the CK30, while the CK30 is about 150# less than the L3130.
I think it is fair to compare the L3130 to the CK30.
I think it is fair to say the CK30 is larger than than the B2910.
I also think it is difficult to compare apples to apples, but that is what we all try to do when we shop. This all proves that it is a difficult thing to do. But the CK30 and the L3130 are about as close as you can get is overall size and mass.
The overall length of the CK30 is 122"
The overall length of the L3130 is 124" So they are virtually the same length.
The overall length of the B2910 is only 106", which is almost a foot and a half shorter than the CK30.
The L3130 is wider by 5" than the CK30. The CK30 is about the same width as the B2910, so for its length, the CK30 is a narrower machine.
The wheelbase of the CK30 and the B2910 are within about an inch of each other, the L3130 has a longer wheelbase by about 5", so the CK30 has more length in front of the front axle and/or longer lower links(?) than the L3130.
As for weight, the CK 30 is about 3050# & the L3130 is about 3200# (weights vary with transmissions). So they are very close in weight.
The B2910 is only 1890#, so it is roughly 1200# (over a half a ton) less than the CK30, while the CK30 is about 150# less than the L3130.
I think it is fair to compare the L3130 to the CK30.
I think it is fair to say the CK30 is larger than than the B2910.
I also think it is difficult to compare apples to apples, but that is what we all try to do when we shop. This all proves that it is a difficult thing to do. But the CK30 and the L3130 are about as close as you can get is overall size and mass.
Kiohio
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At the same time you can compare the 3130 to the DK35
The DK35 is 126 inches in length with 3pt hitch vs 124 on the 3130. According to what you are saying the only 2 things that are really "equal" between the 3130 and the CK30 are the weight and the length. Weight is a factor of how much material is in a given piece of equipment so it really isn't fair to use weight as a tool to say what is equal. If that were the spec we were using we would be comparing a CK20 to a B7800 and saying they are within 150 lbs of each other. BTW they also are almost identical in length with the 3pt hitch. The first 2 things a customer usually notices about a tractor is overall size(length/width/wheelbase) and HP. Overall length is really just excess sheetmetal/frame. Everything else is selling feature really. I have had the tractors in question side by side.....
The 3130 is just a 3430 with a smaller motor, can we compare the CK30 to the 3430? I think not.
As Don noted there isn't a true apples to apples comparison.....but what 2 tractors really are identical in everyway? and what are you going to use as the "exceptions"? Tough call........
I still stand by my statement that the B3030 and CK30 are much closer to each other than the CK30 and the L3130.
KO
The DK35 is 126 inches in length with 3pt hitch vs 124 on the 3130. According to what you are saying the only 2 things that are really "equal" between the 3130 and the CK30 are the weight and the length. Weight is a factor of how much material is in a given piece of equipment so it really isn't fair to use weight as a tool to say what is equal. If that were the spec we were using we would be comparing a CK20 to a B7800 and saying they are within 150 lbs of each other. BTW they also are almost identical in length with the 3pt hitch. The first 2 things a customer usually notices about a tractor is overall size(length/width/wheelbase) and HP. Overall length is really just excess sheetmetal/frame. Everything else is selling feature really. I have had the tractors in question side by side.....
The 3130 is just a 3430 with a smaller motor, can we compare the CK30 to the 3430? I think not.
As Don noted there isn't a true apples to apples comparison.....but what 2 tractors really are identical in everyway? and what are you going to use as the "exceptions"? Tough call........
I still stand by my statement that the B3030 and CK30 are much closer to each other than the CK30 and the L3130.
KO
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KO were going to have to draw some comparisons somewhere. We could also bring in other brands. None of them will be EXACT comparisions.
But if you take a look at New Holland, the TC29 is also a short wheelbase tractor like the CK30, but it is still larger and heavier than the B2910. The B2910 is the smallest of the 30hp class machines out there, it is also by far the lightest. It is not designed as an ag tractor or a pulling machine it is a lawn mowing landscaping homeowner and small garden center tractor that will be soft of turf, fit into places bigger tractors won't go and still turn a mower blade.
The Kubota line up has no direct comparison by your standard. The L3130 clearly outclasses the CK30 so you dismiss it. The CK30 clearly outclasses the B2910 so you consider it prey.
The B2910 is really in a class by itself (or actually it is in a class with its sister tractor the B7800) and they are in a class by themselves in terms of size, weight, lift capacity, etc and that class is the lightweight class. They don't pretend ot be big machines.
The TC29 is a closer comparison, although somewhat lacking in some areas to the CK30. The L3130 is also a closer comparison. But by the standards you set, apparently nothing can be compared to the CK30?
Given that an L3130 can be bought for under $16,000 with a loader that compares to the CK30, or purchased with the superior 723 loader for about $16,500, and granted those prices are a bit higher than some of the CK30 prices I've seen, but the L3130 offers a bit more to justify the price.
But if you take a look at New Holland, the TC29 is also a short wheelbase tractor like the CK30, but it is still larger and heavier than the B2910. The B2910 is the smallest of the 30hp class machines out there, it is also by far the lightest. It is not designed as an ag tractor or a pulling machine it is a lawn mowing landscaping homeowner and small garden center tractor that will be soft of turf, fit into places bigger tractors won't go and still turn a mower blade.
The Kubota line up has no direct comparison by your standard. The L3130 clearly outclasses the CK30 so you dismiss it. The CK30 clearly outclasses the B2910 so you consider it prey.
The B2910 is really in a class by itself (or actually it is in a class with its sister tractor the B7800) and they are in a class by themselves in terms of size, weight, lift capacity, etc and that class is the lightweight class. They don't pretend ot be big machines.
The TC29 is a closer comparison, although somewhat lacking in some areas to the CK30. The L3130 is also a closer comparison. But by the standards you set, apparently nothing can be compared to the CK30?
Given that an L3130 can be bought for under $16,000 with a loader that compares to the CK30, or purchased with the superior 723 loader for about $16,500, and granted those prices are a bit higher than some of the CK30 prices I've seen, but the L3130 offers a bit more to justify the price.
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<font color="blue"> The L3130 clearly outclasses the CK30 so you dismiss it. The CK30 clearly outclasses the B2910 so you consider it prey. </font>
Bob, your interpretation of Kiohio's post is certainly most interesting. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
FWIW, I would be comparing the Kubota "L" with the Kioti "DK" line.
Don
Bob, your interpretation of Kiohio's post is certainly most interesting. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
FWIW, I would be comparing the Kubota "L" with the Kioti "DK" line.
Don
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Vince . . . pricing is certainly regional. Just look at this thread and the pricing fluctuates. The very first post has a dealer quoting a CK30 at $19K other follow ups have it in around $15K. Pricing for the L3130 that I see typically runs from just under $16K to about $18K.
Don . . . realistically, any "apples to apples" comparision is going to be flawed, the best we can do is try for a reasonable comparison that takes competitive machines that are roughly the same. Anyone can pick apart specs and say one is or is not roughly equivalent to another. The CK30 I was able to see is certainly a much beefier tractor with higher capacities on virtually every measurement than the little B2910, comparisions between the two are pretty much fruitless. On the other hand, it is reasonable to compare the CK30 to the L3130, understanding the L3130 is typically about $1000 more, but provides a bit more capacity in some areas. I think it is also reasonable to compare it to the TC29 (but not the very similar TC33) on the same grounds. In that comparision, I think the TC29 comes up short as it typically costs a bit more and provides nothing more. Comparing the TC33 to the CK30 simply pushes up the HP but nothing else in capacity and if HP is an issue for things like PTO powered implements then the advantage would go to the TC33 but it is an advantage that comes at even greater cost.
As for comparing to the DK series tractors, I think that is a mistake. Simply look at the title of the thread, "Looking for current pricing for a ck30 hst" For the purposes of comparision (back to the concept of "apples to apples") we need to limit the comparisons to HST machines. The DK is not available in HST while the L3130 and the CK30 are both available with HST.
Don . . . realistically, any "apples to apples" comparision is going to be flawed, the best we can do is try for a reasonable comparison that takes competitive machines that are roughly the same. Anyone can pick apart specs and say one is or is not roughly equivalent to another. The CK30 I was able to see is certainly a much beefier tractor with higher capacities on virtually every measurement than the little B2910, comparisions between the two are pretty much fruitless. On the other hand, it is reasonable to compare the CK30 to the L3130, understanding the L3130 is typically about $1000 more, but provides a bit more capacity in some areas. I think it is also reasonable to compare it to the TC29 (but not the very similar TC33) on the same grounds. In that comparision, I think the TC29 comes up short as it typically costs a bit more and provides nothing more. Comparing the TC33 to the CK30 simply pushes up the HP but nothing else in capacity and if HP is an issue for things like PTO powered implements then the advantage would go to the TC33 but it is an advantage that comes at even greater cost.
As for comparing to the DK series tractors, I think that is a mistake. Simply look at the title of the thread, "Looking for current pricing for a ck30 hst" For the purposes of comparision (back to the concept of "apples to apples") we need to limit the comparisons to HST machines. The DK is not available in HST while the L3130 and the CK30 are both available with HST.
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<font color="blue"> As for comparing to the DK series tractors, I think that is a mistake. Simply look at the title of the thread, "Looking for current pricing for a ck30 hst" For the purposes of comparision (back to the concept of "apples to apples") we need to limit the comparisons to HST machines. The DK is not available in HST while the L3130 and the CK30 are both available with HST.</font>
When looking at the title of this thread this is way off topic.
It makes no sense to me to attempt to paint the CK30 as a comparable 'bota Grand L class of tractor because the CK30 offers a HST transmission and the DK's do not. This could be debated for many "bandwidths". The best "opinion" I could offer to the perspective buyer is to visit the tractor shows and/or the dealers, get a visual of these tractors, sit in their respective seats, compare the spec's and come up with their own conclusions.
For the record, I agree with kiohio's assessment of the CK30 and L3130.....
Don
When looking at the title of this thread this is way off topic.
It makes no sense to me to attempt to paint the CK30 as a comparable 'bota Grand L class of tractor because the CK30 offers a HST transmission and the DK's do not. This could be debated for many "bandwidths". The best "opinion" I could offer to the perspective buyer is to visit the tractor shows and/or the dealers, get a visual of these tractors, sit in their respective seats, compare the spec's and come up with their own conclusions.
For the record, I agree with kiohio's assessment of the CK30 and L3130.....
Don
Kiohio
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If you want to bring pricing into it......
Now we are WAY off course.
The 3130 even has 2 more horse than the CK30. If you want to stick with your stance(length/weight /etc) the CK25 is to be compared to the 3130 also....it just has less HP.
The Grand L series has one tractor of larger frame to(as you say) compare to the CK series.
CK's generally should be compared with the B series, DK's generally with Grand L's.
Someone will always have the upperhand....... It's all a sales game.
Mine is bigger/better/cheaper/wider/longer/heavier/lifts more/digs deeper/etc than so and so's.
I would actually rather customers compare the CK30 to the 3130 at times, that way I always have the pricing upperhand. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You say the CK stomps the B2910 (in specs)....If you want to talk price...in our area the CK is cheaper.
I don't agree with you, but ALL are intitled to their own opinion.
Who is going to decide what specs are going to be the deciding factor??
Correct the topic has become lost in the shuffle.......
Lets get back to the topic that the thread was posted about.
KO
Now we are WAY off course.
The 3130 even has 2 more horse than the CK30. If you want to stick with your stance(length/weight /etc) the CK25 is to be compared to the 3130 also....it just has less HP.
The Grand L series has one tractor of larger frame to(as you say) compare to the CK series.
CK's generally should be compared with the B series, DK's generally with Grand L's.
Someone will always have the upperhand....... It's all a sales game.
Mine is bigger/better/cheaper/wider/longer/heavier/lifts more/digs deeper/etc than so and so's.
I would actually rather customers compare the CK30 to the 3130 at times, that way I always have the pricing upperhand. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You say the CK stomps the B2910 (in specs)....If you want to talk price...in our area the CK is cheaper.
I don't agree with you, but ALL are intitled to their own opinion.
Who is going to decide what specs are going to be the deciding factor??
Correct the topic has become lost in the shuffle.......
Lets get back to the topic that the thread was posted about.
KO
