Looking for loader valve...

[DeanP88]

Guys I'm new here so forgive me. I purchased an 03 John Deere 4410. It has been doing great for what I bought it for but I thought I might have a loader installed on it. the 430 loader is no longer in production but the dealer said they could install a 300R loader If I had the loader valve and joystick. Well I don't have a loader valve or joystick, why would I, it does not have a loader. He said that no dealer in the country has one. My question is, can I get an aftermarket valve and joystick somewhere that will work with that 300R loader and where would I find it?

 

[K5lwq]

Welcome to TBN!

I am surprised your dealer could not offer something as loader valves are fairly straight forward. The mounting bracket may be something that will need to be fabricated.

Something like this should work on your tractor. Good luck!

2 Spool Compact 1 GPM Joystick Control Valve | Directional Control Valves | Hydraulic Valves | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

 

[DeanP88]

Thank you so much!! I'm not a hydraulic expert but I figured there was something out there that was made that would work. Maybe since it is not JD brand they were not interested.

 

[K5lwq]

You are welcome. Look at other valves on that site if that one doesn't have the features your want.

You would think if they have loader valves on any other tractor on the lot they could source a valve. What happens if they sell a new tractor with loader and the valve needs replacement under warranty? I am surprised that a valve was their issue.

 

[blackd]

The valve shown is good, but I would recommend looking for one with similar specifications but with national Pipe Thread (NPT) connectors. It will be much easier and generally cheaper to find the correct sized connectors, hoses and adapters (if needed) in the US.

 

[Briar Hill Brittanys]

Welcome to TBN!

I am surprised your dealer could not offer something as loader valves are fairly straight forward. The mounting bracket may be something that will need to be fabricated.

Something like this should work on your tractor. Good luck!

2 Spool Compact 1 GPM Joystick Control Valve | Directional Control Valves | Hydraulic Valves | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

Bought the same one for my 66 model 1020 w/37 loader. Works fine. Just had to get the closed center plug to work. Don't be afraid to get it. Also got all the hoses for it from surpluscenter.com.

 

[DeanP88]

Doesn't John Deere use some proprietary fittings? I have seen companies that make or will assemble a joystick valve, hoses and fittings for the John Deere but they want your first born and the deed to your house to get it.

 

[oldnslo]

Deere uses ORFS O-ring Face Seal style fittings on there equipment. Yes these are usually more expensive than NPT or JIC but are also almost zero leak and getting more common.

Most loader valves will have SAE O-ring boss ports or BSPP threaded ports. Fittings to go from SAE to ORFS are pretty common.

 

[DeanP88]

Does anyone know the part # for the actual valve for the loader on the 4410? Is this it am124969?

 

[K5lwq]

Does anyone know the part # for the actual valve for the loader on the 4410? Is this it am124969?

When I search for that part number it brings up a single spool valve.

You are looking for a valve with 2 spools. One with float and joystick configured the way the valve will mount. You also will want one with a load check. It needs to be open center and somewhere around 8 to 10 GPM. You should also order a power beyond plug for the valve so you can feed the other valves on your tractor.

If you want to work more than one function at a time, like lift and curl then you will want a series/parallel type valve. It still will be slow doing multiple functions but doable.

Ask the dealer that is installing the loader where he is wanting to mount the valve and what orientation the joy stick needs to work.

I still think the dealer should help more.

 

[dfkrug]

Deere uses ORFS O-ring Face Seal style fittings on there equipment. Yes these are usually more expensive than NPT or JIC but are also almost zero leak and getting more common.

Most loader valves will have SAE O-ring boss ports or BSPP threaded ports. Fittings to go from SAE to ORFS are pretty common.

I re-hosed the loader on a JD4300 a while back, and I saved a bunch by buying ORFS-to-JIC adapters, then JIC hoses. NPT connections are lousy in the hydraulics world.

As for an FEL valve, SurplusCenter currently has a nice looking Chief joystick FEL valve with float, but no PB sleeve. $189 + ship. The valve seems to have a PB function, but you need that sleeve.

 

[DeanP88]

Is there any way I can get one of you who know these valves to find one and send me a link? I am not as knowledgeable as you guys on this. Also, where on the 4410 do you plumb to get pick up the hydraulic pressure? And is there a return line needed? If so, where is that plumbed? The dealer was more interested in selling me a new tractor.

 

[dfkrug]

...where on the 4410 do you plumb to get pick up the hydraulic pressure? And is there a return line needed? If so, where is that plumbed?

Does your Deere have a loader on it? If so, the factory loader valve comes with a 3rd AUX valve on the same block, if it is like my 4300.

 

[K5lwq]

Does your Deere have a loader on it? If so, the factory loader valve comes with a 3rd AUX valve on the same block, if it is like my 4300.

The OP wants to add a loader and needs help getting a loader valve. I would love to help him but I have no idea how his tractor is plumbed or what direction the valve will need to mount.

The factory valve for his tractor would have had the 3rd service spool so it sounds like your tractor is very similar to what he needs. Could you post some pictures of how your loader valve is plumbed and mounted? We might could get him to take some as well and be able to figure this out.

 

[DeanP88]

Does your Deere have a loader on it? If so, the factory loader valve comes with a 3rd AUX valve on the same block, if it is like my 4300.

Underneath my tractor there is I believe a 3 port valve mounted directly to the transmission. Right now it controls the PTO and the 4 wheel drive. Could the 3rd port control a loader? The first 2 have electronic valves in them that are controlled with buttons to turn on the PTO or the 4wd. There is a plug in the third. Is that where John deere accesses the hydraulic system for a loader? I am familiar with it because I had to remove it and clean the valves do to the PTO not working...

 

[DeanP88]

I re-hosed the loader on a JD4300 a while back, and I saved a bunch by buying ORFS-to-JIC adapters, then JIC hoses. NPT connections are lousy in the hydraulics world.

As for an FEL valve, SurplusCenter currently has a nice looking Chief joystick FEL valve with float, but no PB sleeve. $189 + ship. The valve seems to have a PB function, but you need that sleeve.

I could not find that valve on SurplusCenter site. The valve someone posted earlier says the ports are SAE-8. Should I be looking for a JIC threaded valve?

 

[dfkrug]

Underneath my tractor there is I believe a 3 port valve mounted directly to the transmission. Right now it controls the PTO and the 4 wheel drive. Could the 3rd port control a loader? The first 2 have electronic valves in them that are controlled with buttons to turn on the PTO or the 4wd. There is a plug in the third. Is that where John deere accesses the hydraulic system for a loader? I am familiar with it because I had to remove it and clean the valves do to the PTO not working...

Sorry, I should have reread the first post in this thread. Since you have the 4410 and no loader, you have what JD defaults to in the valve dept. JD calls them SCVs, and you seem to have some of the later solenoid-controlled valves. Maybe even the eHydro transmission.

I am posting pix of the 3-spool SCV you get with the 4200/4300/4400 when you have a loader. It is mounted to the trans casting, and some fluid passages are internal. External hose and hardline connections use metric O-ring threads. Metric-to-JIC adapters are what I used when adding hoses for the 3rd SCV. I do not know how similar this valve is to what you have on the 4210/4310/4410 tractors.

 

[DeanP88]

The dealer just emailed me and said they found a valve. I will follow up with the details. You guys have been awesome with the help!! Dfkrug, thank you for the pictures!!

 

[dfkrug]

The dealer just emailed me and said they found a valve.

Great news, assuming he does not want $500 for a used valve.

Anyway, post a photo when/if you get it. Lots of TBN folks with JDxx10 tractors, which are similar, but not the same as JDxx00 tractors.

 

[K5lwq]

That is promising news! Hopefully they can get you up and running! Yes, pictures when you get it set up please!