Looking for some Pole Barn framing suggestions

[LD1]

Try structural grade then but it doesn't matter...you have two forum members that gave everyone a warranty because theirs haven't collapsed yet. Print out that post and keep it in your safe.

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[doohicky]

I guess we should have NEVER EVER used trees as rafters for our one equipment shed then. They were sorta straight but had knots in them, and were tapered. It was up for 25 years and then came down to make way for a larger HOME MADE 32 x 70 shed.

 

[sdkubota]

(Facepalm)

Carry on...natural selection shouldn't be tampered with.

 

[LD1]

Makes me wonder how we ever got anything done years ago without a civil engineer to give permission?

 

[sdkubota]

Makes me wonder how we ever got anything done years ago without a civil engineer to give permission?

Why do you have it listed under your occupation? Maybe you should call yourself a brain surgeon and make some serious $$$ or airline pilot or attorney ...

 

[LD1]

Why do you have it listed under your occupation? Maybe you should call yourself a brain surgeon and make some serious $$$ or airline pilot or attorney ...

I dont have civil engineer listed for an occupation. There is more than one type of engineer.

I think we got off on the wrong foot here. And I probabally didnt help matters any but thats just me

So in interest of taking the higher ground here (since I dont know you and you dont know me), lets start over. I think we can agree to disagree on this topic and no since in beating a dead horse. Cause it aint gonna get any deader.

Some people feel more comfortable doing or designing things without an engineer. Tables and formulas are out there for everyone to use if they are comfortable and like doing their own "homework". I am one of those. I know how to look up load ratings of different things, and apply the formulas and math to it. Sure, if anything goes wrong I have no-one to blame but myself. Others may not feel comfortable doing this. And I certainly wont advocate anyone doing anything they arent comfortable with. But barns have been built for YEARS without "engineering" stamp of approval. Some can do it, others cant.

I do respect your opinion as a civil engineer though. I am sure you have to deal with hundreds of people like me that "think they know it all". And I am sure that must be tough. No to metion that it is your way of life.

But when you stop and think about it, anything and everything you could possibly do youself at home, there is a professional that could do it. If you talk to an arborist, he will ALWAYS advise you have a professional cut down "that" tree and not attemp yourself. If you call an excavation company, they will ALWAYS advise that you hire that trenching done and not attempt yourself. If you talk to a remodeler, he will always advise you hire a professional to do you bathroom. If you talk to an electrician....you get the idea. So...its nothing against you or any other civil engineer, and its not just the profession either. Certain people have a "knack" for certain things. And peoples comfort levels are different too.

For me personally, I have NO problems desiging my own building. From trusses to I-beams for the loft to floor joists for the loft. I have no reservations doing my own plumbing and electric and pouring te floor. While others may be different.

Maybe this will help you a little to understand where I am coming from on my side of the fence. Maybe not. But it is worth a try and maybe we can call a truce?? Because none of this is good for anyone.

 

[hkhi]

BACK TO THE TASK AT HAND.


Any thoughts on pros and cons of having premix delivered vs mixing sacks of 4000lb quickcrete bags in a Lowes 3 cuft mixer? Since we're doing everything ourselves, it's more convenient to mix bags and not have to rush around while worrying about paying a concrete guy to wait for you. That way we can fill each footer as time allows.

 

[sdkubota]

BACK TO THE TASK AT HAND.


Any thoughts on pros and cons of having premix delivered vs mixing sacks of 4000lb quickcrete bags in a Lowes 3 cuft mixer? Since we're doing everything ourselves, it's more convenient to mix bags and not have to rush around while worrying about paying a concrete guy to wait for you. That way we can fill each footer as time allows.

I think the delivered would be better and contain larger aggregate. Problem is the delivery chanrge is normally high regardless of how little you order.

 

[sdkubota]

I dont have civil engineer listed for an occupation. There is more than one type of engineer.

I think we got off on the wrong foot here. And I probabally didnt help matters any but thats just me

So in interest of taking the higher ground here (since I dont know you and you dont know me), lets start over. I think we can agree to disagree on this topic and no since in beating a dead horse. Cause it aint gonna get any deader.

Some people feel more comfortable doing or designing things without an engineer. Tables and formulas are out there for everyone to use if they are comfortable and like doing their own "homework". I am one of those. I know how to look up load ratings of different things, and apply the formulas and math to it. Sure, if anything goes wrong I have no-one to blame but myself. Others may not feel comfortable doing this. And I certainly wont advocate anyone doing anything they arent comfortable with. But barns have been built for YEARS without "engineering" stamp of approval. Some can do it, others cant.

I do respect your opinion as a civil engineer though. I am sure you have to deal with hundreds of people like me that "think they know it all". And I am sure that must be tough. No to metion that it is your way of life.

But when you stop and think about it, anything and everything you could possibly do youself at home, there is a professional that could do it. If you talk to an arborist, he will ALWAYS advise you have a professional cut down "that" tree and not attemp yourself. If you call an excavation company, they will ALWAYS advise that you hire that trenching done and not attempt yourself. If you talk to a remodeler, he will always advise you hire a professional to do you bathroom. If you talk to an electrician....you get the idea. So...its nothing against you or any other civil engineer, and its not just the profession either. Certain people have a "knack" for certain things. And peoples comfort levels are different too.

For me personally, I have NO problems desiging my own building. From trusses to I-beams for the loft to floor joists for the loft. I have no reservations doing my own plumbing and electric and pouring te floor. While others may be different.

Maybe this will help you a little to understand where I am coming from on my side of the fence. Maybe not. But it is worth a try and maybe we can call a truce?? Because none of this is good for anyone.

We actually have many things in common based on your bio. Probably be good friends if we lived close and at the very least beer drinking buds. Believe me, I don't engineer everything I do but have been around buildings, construction, and building failures enough to know what problems may lie ahead given certain circumstances. Sometimes even when everything is done correct, there are still problems. I normally am screamed at by irate contractors and ignored by paying clients so I don't see why we can't start over on better terms. By the way...my hide is pretty thick and generally don't take criticism to heart. Punch me in the face, make disparaging comments about my mother, and I could still have a beer and forgive and forget.
:drink:

 

[Cat_Driver]

I think the delivered would be better and contain larger aggregate. Problem is the delivery chanrge is normally high regardless of how little you order.

I just went through this with a small load last week. After doing all the numbers, from getting a bring home load of concrete in a trailer mixer, to having the load brought in, from mixing it myself, to pre bagged mix.

Price only varied by $100.00 one way of another and the bring my own would have been cheaper but by the time I left a huge deposit, cleaning charge, bringing it back and forth....it wasn't worth saving the $100.00.

The one plus with mixing it myself is I was able to take my time and not feel rushed by a truck driver, and I was able to add as much fiberglass fibers as I wanted.

Really wasn't that bad after all was done. The one thing that helped was I used a SPADE NOSE on my skid steer. I mixed the concrete in the bucket and if you see the bucket it has a very narrow point on the bucket. It was brilliant for pin point accuracy when dumping the mix.

My spade bucket has larger sides like a wheelbarrow, but here's an ideas.

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