Looking for some Pole Barn framing suggestions

[LD1]

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Any thoughts on pros and cons of having premix delivered vs mixing sacks of 4000lb quickcrete bags in a Lowes 3 cuft mixer? Since we're doing everything ourselves, it's more convenient to mix bags and not have to rush around while worrying about paying a concrete guy to wait for you. That way we can fill each footer as time allows.

I'd start by figuring out how many yards you want FIRST. Cause if you are going to need 3 yards or more, thats usually the minimum for a truck to haul. A 8" by 24" footer would be about 20' per yard. So if the building is going to be more than 60' perimiter, you will be at the 3 yards. And prices vary by reigon, but in my area, the CHEAPEST bagged concrete is $2 per bag, and thats the el-chepo stuff, not the $4/bag 4000psi stuff like you mention. And 1/2-cu ft per bag. So it takes 54 bags to make a yard. Thats $108/yd and concrete trucks are around $100/yard and as others metion, larger an better stone.

If you are going to be under the 3 yard mark (depending on by how much), I would buy 94lb bags of portland cement (about $9ea), and get a truckload of sand and a truckload of #57 limestone. (assuming you have a P/u or trailer. @ $16/ton for limestone and $10/ton for sand (again, my areas prices), you end up with about $10worth of stone, $5 worth of sand, and $45 worth of portland (5 bag mix/4000psi) per yard. Or a total of about $60 per yard vs over $200 if you buy the 4000psi pre-mix. All you have to do is haul the stone and sand seperate. But either way, the weight of the stone and sand needs hauled anyway. Just depends on wether you do it in the form of pre-mix or in bulk.

We actually have many things in common based on your bio. Probably be good friends if we lived close and at the very least beer drinking buds. Believe me, I don't engineer everything I do but have been around buildings, construction, and building failures enough to know what problems may lie ahead given certain circumstances. Sometimes even when everything is done correct, there are still problems. I normally am screamed at by irate contractors and ignored by paying clients so I don't see why we can't start over on better terms. By the way...my hide is pretty thick and generally don't take criticism to heart. Punch me in the face, make disparaging comments about my mother, and I could still have a beer and forgive and forget.
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[scott_vt]

If I don't want to pay several thousand dollars to have 20+ holes drilled through the shale for the 6x6's, and I don't want to put in a complete foundation with footing, what are my options? -H.

Good Afternoon hkhi,
I know Im kind of late to the party here, but are you completely sold on a pole barn building ?

I built my barn on a Alaskan slab, about a ft around the perimeter and a 6" floor thickness. The site was vibratory tamped, mesh reinforced, and then we poured 4000 lb concrete. I believe we used about 24 yds for a 28' by 42' footprint. Three 8 yd truck loads.

To date no cracks. Winter temps can get to 25 below, although we havent had any temps that cold in the past two years since I put it up.

I also used truss construction, those trusses are built for the type of snow loads we get in this area..

BTW the concrete was about $90 per yd at the time I believe...

 

[sdkubota]

BACK TO THE TASK AT HAND.


Any thoughts on pros and cons of having premix delivered vs mixing sacks of 4000lb quickcrete bags in a Lowes 3 cuft mixer? Since we're doing everything ourselves, it's more convenient to mix bags and not have to rush around while worrying about paying a concrete guy to wait for you. That way we can fill each footer as time allows.

I mistakenly thought you were talking about pouring a counter weight for a tractor...my bad!

Order pre-mix concrete...cheaper then you can make yourself and will have consistant strength. Unless you are a gluton for punishment and anxious to meet your maker...order pre-mix!!!

 

[hkhi]

Good Afternoon hkhi,
I know Im kind of late to the party here, but are you completely sold on a pole barn building ?

I built my barn on a Alaskan slab, about a ft around the perimeter and a 6" floor thickness. The site was vibratory tamped, mesh reinforced, and then we poured 4000 lb concrete. I believe we used about 24 yds for a 28' by 42' footprint. Three 8 yd truck loads.

To date no cracks. Winter temps can get to 25 below, although we havent had any temps that cold in the past two years since I put it up.

I also used truss construction, those trusses are built for the type of snow loads we get in this area..

BTW the concrete was about $90 per yd at the time I believe...

I did consider an alaskan slab, but coudn't find a reasonable estimate. What did you pay for yours? I was being quoted ~$16K for a poured foundation and floor in my 40x60. Maybe that was reasonable, but adding 16K to almost 20K for materials, trusses etc.. was getting overly expensive. With a pole barn I can wait on having the floor poured.

 

[dave1949]

I did consider an alaskan slab, but coudn't find a reasonable estimate. What did you pay for yours? I was being quoted ~$16K for a poured foundation and floor in my 40x60. Maybe that was reasonable, but adding 16K to almost 20K for materials, trusses etc.. was getting overly expensive. With a pole barn I can wait on having the floor poured.

Yikes, if my math is correct, that is $355/yd poured. (40X60X.5)/27 = ~45 yards. That sounds high but probably includes prepping, stone, compacting, etc.

The deep edges would add to that too.

 

[sdkubota]

I did consider an alaskan slab, but coudn't find a reasonable estimate. What did you pay for yours? I was being quoted ~$16K for a poured foundation and floor in my 40x60. Maybe that was reasonable, but adding 16K to almost 20K for materials, trusses etc.. was getting overly expensive. With a pole barn I can wait on having the floor poured.

That was high ~ $6.66 per square foot. Around here you can have concrete poured for around $3/sf for 4" and $4/sf for 6". It is important to get numerous quotes...some contractors are hungrier than others.