Loss of Civility on the Forums
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Cliff_Johns
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It may have been true at one time that other brands bore the brunt of criticisms, but It seems JD is the one to beat now and everyone jumps on (Oh my gosh they use plastic. Only an idiot would buy a plastic tractor or they don't even build their own machines, who would buy from a company that only engineers their tractors and lets another company manufacture it? and all JD dealers appear to be liars.) . Since I joined rather late (only January or so), I haven't noticed the berating of other machines. I think it's more historical. I've never actually seen a post that sugests people should buy JD because it's American and not buy Kubota (for instance) because it isn't [which I think is nonsense by the way for all sorts of reasons], but I see a lot of complaining about this kind of bashing and it confuses me. I just don't know the history so it comes across as a lot of protesting about a problem that doesn't seem to exist.
I recognise that I haven't read the history (and really, I guess I don't want to), so I don't know why people say some of the things they do. I just try to stay clear and let it blow over -- which I probably should have done in this case, but I felt the need to say that not everyone understands what the fuss is about.
There is one other element at play. I suspect one notices slights against their tractor more that slights against another tractor. It's just human nature. Everyone sees the world through different glasses.
I own a JD, so take this with a grain of salt. I am biased in ways I don't know about, I'm sure, but were it not for a few specific, non-quality related personal preferences, I woud have a Kubota now.
Cliff
I recognise that I haven't read the history (and really, I guess I don't want to), so I don't know why people say some of the things they do. I just try to stay clear and let it blow over -- which I probably should have done in this case, but I felt the need to say that not everyone understands what the fuss is about.
There is one other element at play. I suspect one notices slights against their tractor more that slights against another tractor. It's just human nature. Everyone sees the world through different glasses.
I own a JD, so take this with a grain of salt. I am biased in ways I don't know about, I'm sure, but were it not for a few specific, non-quality related personal preferences, I woud have a Kubota now.
Cliff
DK35vince
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I just don't like seeing a certain member who has for years been consistantly one of the worst bashers of other brands on this site complaining about his brand getting bashed.
riptides
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I blow by those comments all the time. But I have noticed more of the people trying to "protect" their interests.
Why is that? It just brings more attention to the comment itself?
Sometime I guess I get to thinking too much, this AM seems like one of those times....
-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Why is that? It just brings more attention to the comment itself?
Sometime I guess I get to thinking too much, this AM seems like one of those times....
-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Obviously I do too - I think I'll try the blow by approach more often. There was another post out there this morning where someone was asking "do I get tractor A or B". Don't you know someone posts "take a look at "C"... I was dying to respond that it wasn't even in the question, and is just another attempt at selling their brand. I didn't /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif - I'm just going to move right by.
Take Care - I hope it's clearer there this morning than it is here... it's been foggy and wet for a while now.
Take Care - I hope it's clearer there this morning than it is here... it's been foggy and wet for a while now.
I don't mind someone bringing a new brand into the topic, they obviously feel it's worthy of mention. The issue for me would be if they criticize the brands already involved without being based in fact & if done in a demeaning way. Your crazy if you buy brand x, it's a piece of crap, it's terrible, & on & on...
Well maybe it isn't that bad, but you get the idea.
Well maybe it isn't that bad, but you get the idea.
Bob_Skurka
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I agree that SOMETIMES bringing a new brand in is a worthwhile addition, but only if the new brand meets the original criteria. If someone wants a SUB-Cut with HST then I don't think it is appropriate to bring up a brand like Century-Branson because they don't have that class tractor. Or if someone says they did their homework and narrowed it down to 2 choices and asks for specifics about those 2, then bringing in another brand is not productive. But if someone says they are looking for a machine to do a specific set of things, what is the best machine? or if they say I think these 3 tractors will fit my needs, am I on track? then I would say it is reasonable to bring in lots of options.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES ME NUTS are the people who think that simply stating a fact is bashing. A month or two ago I was commenting on my own Kubota B2910 for having a big flat hood that made front visibility during FEL work difficult. . . but that I only noticed it because I also have a NH TC24D with a sloped and curved hood which has MUCH better visibility. Someone posted a message about a tractor for FEL work and I commented that as far as I was concerned the NH machines have the best forward visibility because of their aggressively sloping and curved hoods, combined with their curved loader arms. I caught all sorts of grief from people because I mentioned that JD has a wide & flat hood and square loader arms just like the Kubota and people who never drove anything other that what they own commented that they didn't have any visibility problems with their JD or thier Kubota. I was NOT bashing either brand, I was simply stating a fact. And the fact is that both JD & Kubota have long, wide, nearly flat hoods on several of the models and they use square loader arms . . . and compared to the current NH TC series with curved loader arms, there is no traditional tractor series that comes close to giving the forward visibility of a NH and the more visibility you have the easier/faster it is to do your job. YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT BY SAYING THAT I HAD JUST KILLED THEIR SACRED COW. Hey folks, pointing out strengths & weaknesses is not bashing if it is done objectively.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES ME NUTS are the people who think that simply stating a fact is bashing. A month or two ago I was commenting on my own Kubota B2910 for having a big flat hood that made front visibility during FEL work difficult. . . but that I only noticed it because I also have a NH TC24D with a sloped and curved hood which has MUCH better visibility. Someone posted a message about a tractor for FEL work and I commented that as far as I was concerned the NH machines have the best forward visibility because of their aggressively sloping and curved hoods, combined with their curved loader arms. I caught all sorts of grief from people because I mentioned that JD has a wide & flat hood and square loader arms just like the Kubota and people who never drove anything other that what they own commented that they didn't have any visibility problems with their JD or thier Kubota. I was NOT bashing either brand, I was simply stating a fact. And the fact is that both JD & Kubota have long, wide, nearly flat hoods on several of the models and they use square loader arms . . . and compared to the current NH TC series with curved loader arms, there is no traditional tractor series that comes close to giving the forward visibility of a NH and the more visibility you have the easier/faster it is to do your job. YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT BY SAYING THAT I HAD JUST KILLED THEIR SACRED COW. Hey folks, pointing out strengths & weaknesses is not bashing if it is done objectively.
It's funny how that thread went - I vaguely remember it. Now that Deere will have curved loader arms just watch the lust the develops for that style of machine /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. To me it's just a tool, and if the curves and such improve functionality then i guess it's a better tool huh /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif.
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