Loved Ones - Toyota

[Bird]

Well, maybe blind in this case. Your scenario has almost no relation to what timswi was talking about.
larry

Larry, did you read all of what timswi said? Specifically:

Well..As a recovering import service manager, I can tell you that they rely on silent recalls..The customer complains about an issue, and we said.."that shouldn't happen"..then we'd fix the issue, with factory approval, free of charge..happened all the time. The customer walked away happy as could be, thinking Wow they really take care of their customers!!

I never liked this approach, but that's the way the business works.

He said they fixed things free of charge, but apparently there wasn't an actual recall. Seems to me that's what Pat was talking about. Sure looks related to me. Am I missing something?

 

[SPYDERLK]

I must be way too naive or dumb or something but I fail to understand why fixing a customer's car for free is such a bad thing.Pat

Well, maybe blind in this case. Your scenario has almost no relation to what timswi was talking about.
larry

Larry, of course you are entitled to your opinion (as I am) no matter how wrong either of us may be but... instead of just hurling insults like how I must be blind (I'm not yet but working on it pretty good) why not give me an example or two so I can get smarter instead of just absorbing insults.
Pat

Gee Pat. Im sorry you took it as an insult. I kinda thot not seeing an issue [a blindness] was much less offensive than naive or dumb... And it does surprise me that you would not immediately see the ramifications of what timswi described. Lurking behind those free repairs is a procedure that effectively isolates each customer from others having the same or related problems, be they active or latent. The isolated customer may not even notice the problem. For some problems that entails real risk - others not. Regardless, the isolated owner is more vulnerable to their own assumption that their problem is unique to them and then fixing it on their own $, or living with it because they dont feel they can afford it. Is the repair up to the safety standards inherently provided [hopefully] to the ones that get their vehicles upgraded free, subject to corporate whim, at the dealership?

By keeping the customers isolated from one another with silent recalls - they are actually trying to prevent formation of a bona fide group that would curtail the practice of free repair at corporate whim in favor of equal treatment within the group.
larry

 

[Ron67]

I am a Master Certified Toyota Technician working at a dealer in central NC and am up to my ears in gas pedal recalls. Actually Toyota calls them Service Campaigns - not recalls, that's what the news calls them. There are two different types of gas pedals involved, both are electronic sensors that send a signal to a computer which sends a signal to a motor on the throttle of your engine. If you where to experience a "stuck" pedal, I seriously doubt pulling up on it would help unless it was actually jammed on something. We have been shortening both types of pedals on Camrys and shimming them on all others. There is also an ECM recalibration on the Camry Non-hybrid models. I am told it will cut power to the engine if gas and brake are requested at the same time, but am unsure exactly. My advise to people is drive your car. A very small amount of cars have experienced problems and if you have no signs of abnormal operation, then it will likely not magically start happening now. To be safe, call your local dealer and make an appointment to have the campaign performed. I did try to shut down a smart-key car the other day and it will not turn off in neutral or drive while moving. My advise is shift to neutral and coast to the side of the road. The engine has a rev limiter to keep it from damaging itself, but worst case, let her blow. It's only a car. I am sure Toyota would give you a new one and then some if that actually happened. BTW anyone remember the Explorers in ditches 10 years ago? It's not even that bad! We will survive. Toyota is a GREAT manufacturer and will fix all these vehicles as soon as possible.

 

[two_bit_score]

Is it true that the problem with the gas pedals only affects the vehicles made with the USA made parts?

 

[Mace Canute]

Is it true that the problem with the gas pedals only affects the vehicles made with the USA made parts?

The parts aren't made in the USA..they're made in Canada, eh!
There are two different but similar appearing pedals, one made by CTS Corp and the other by Denso. The DENSO one hasn't had any problems apparently, just the CTS one.
CTS chairman and CEO Vinod Khilnani said the problem with the pedal was a defect in Toyota's design, not in CTS's manufacturing.
Go to Why Toyota Must Replace Flawed CTS Gas Pedal With Superior Denso Pedal | The Truth About Cars for pics and more info.

 

[Heywood Jannockitov]

The parts aren't made in the USA..they're made in Canada, eh!

Elkhart Indiana is in Canada?

 

[patrick_g]

I am a Master Certified Toyota Technician working at a dealer in central NC and am up to my ears in gas pedal recalls. Actually Toyota calls them Service Campaigns - not recalls, that's what the news calls them. There are two different types of gas pedals involved, both are electronic sensors that send a signal to a computer which sends a signal to a motor on the throttle of your engine. If you where to experience a "stuck" pedal, I seriously doubt pulling up on it would help unless it was actually jammed on something. We have been shortening both types of pedals on Camrys and shimming them on all others. There is also an ECM recalibration on the Camry Non-hybrid models. I am told it will cut power to the engine if gas and brake are requested at the same time, but am unsure exactly. My advise to people is drive your car. A very small amount of cars have experienced problems and if you have no signs of abnormal operation, then it will likely not magically start happening now. To be safe, call your local dealer and make an appointment to have the campaign performed. I did try to shut down a smart-key car the other day and it will not turn off in neutral or drive while moving. My advise is shift to neutral and coast to the side of the road. The engine has a rev limiter to keep it from damaging itself, but worst case, let her blow. It's only a car. I am sure Toyota would give you a new one and then some if that actually happened. BTW anyone remember the Explorers in ditches 10 years ago? It's not even that bad! We will survive. Toyota is a GREAT manufacturer and will fix all these vehicles as soon as possible.

I know you mean well but... I used to exhibit (and sometimes still do) the same aberrant behavior that you are flaunting. There you go voicing a well informed opinion based on real world observations, clearly not in the spirit of many of the shrill voiced posts comprising a fair percentage of the mainstream content of this post. You'll get no gold star by your name this way!

Oh, and from me... THANKS A LOT, MAN. I appreciate your demonstrated bravery in running the gauntlet of the thought police.

We have owned exactly one Toyota, an '04 Prius and we love it. It is the most trouble free vehicle we have ever owned except for maybe a 1962 1/2 VW bug but it was totaled when 8 months old so limited experience. We have had MB TD's, rotary Mazda, Lincoln, Sunbeam Tiger, and on and on and NONE were as trouble free and reliable as the Prius. (OK, the MB TD came close.)

Pat

 

[SPYDERLK]

Larry, did you read all of what timswi said? Specifically:


He said they fixed things free of charge, but apparently there wasn't an actual recall. Seems to me that's what Pat was talking about. Sure looks related to me. Am I missing something?

Yould have to ask timswi. To me it was clear that he was, from his experience in import service practices, equating fixing free of charge to the manufacturer doing silent recalls.
larry

 

[Barton]

Well, we are an all Toyota family and have been a good number of years. I bought my first Toyota, a Hilux, back in 1972 and only sold it to make room for the GC2310, in 2004. It was still running strong.

I will not hesitate to buy another Toyota when the time comes. Up untill now, we have only bought a new vehicle when we needed too. I kept the T100 for 13 yrs. (sold it last year) and the wife's 1999 Avalon with 84,000 miles still runs and looks great. My driver, a 2006 Tundra, is doing great also.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Elkhart Indiana is in Canada?

Seems that way with all the snow we have been getting.

Chris