blb078
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Are non LS filters ok to use and not void the warranty? And anyone have any info on the newer LS engines in the xr4100 series?
LS Tractor Oil, Gas, & Air Filter Information
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Fallon
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Yes, aftermarket is ALWAYS fine for warranty purposes as long as they meet the manufacturers standards. They have to prove it was the fault of the aftermarket parts. The only legal way to require OEM only service parts is to provide them free of charge.
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WHSTRAT59
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If I were a dishonest man, I'd replace the factory original filter with a suitable substitute, keeping the original for a future warranty issue, and I would just put the original back on before hauling the tractor back to the dealer. I think we tend to over think these parts; a filter comes before the engine, that is an engineer creates an oiling system based on available technology. That's why we see one FRAM filter for example with hundreds of applications across many engines, makes, and models. Once the cross-reference from LS 40006977 to an after market supplier is revealed, they lose visits to the dealership, they lose their sky high shipping and handling charges. All it takes is for someone at "Big Filter Company" to obtain the LS oil filter and have the engineer tear it apart. Why that hasn't happened is a mystery.
George2615
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Messick's has that filter for under $10.
Same filter fits New Holland.
Case / New Holland: FILTER, Part # MT4 6977
realhunter
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I just completed the 50 hr service on my LS XR4150. Here are the filters I used. Purchased from RCO tractor in Austin, TX
Apparently you can use the same filters from the 4000 series according to their description.
Apparently you can use the same filters from the 4000 series according to their description.
chris1006
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Did my 50 hour oil change on a XR4046H. Used the napa 7000 oil filter. It was a bit pricey but that is what wix said to use. I looked at the fram 3614 which is much cheaper but the bypass valve setting is a bit higher than the wix 57000/napa7000. Like 3 or 4 psi more. With a diesel engine and the new DPF junk on them the oil gets dirtier(more soot). At least mine seems to. It was much blacker than I expected for only 50 hours when I drained it and kinda had that smell to it like my truck oil does when I drain it. So I think maybe dirty oil is better than no oil if filter starts to become blocked. I will be changing it again at 100 hours instead of the 250 the manual suggests to see if it is any cleaner. As for the hydraulic oil, I am about to change the filters. I know I will loose some oil. I have some Kubota Super UDT2 on hand and have seen on here others switching to it. It is full synthetic. Does anyone see an issue with adding the UTD2 to my existing oil to top it off after replacing just the filters? I am pretty sure the tractor has conventional in it from the factory.
Rowdyy1960
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A little update on realhunters post since RCO doesn't put the actual filter numbers on their invoice. They substitute baldwin filters for everything the y can. I have a 2016 LS XR4150HC so here is the list I have of filters which also includes the HST filter:
Hydraulic filter: Baldwin bt839-10 or wix 51551MP
Oil filter: Baldwin B243 or wix 51516 or 51516XP
HST Filter: No Baldwin match, Wix 51715
Hydraulic filter: Baldwin bt839-10 or wix 51551MP
Oil filter: Baldwin B243 or wix 51516 or 51516XP
HST Filter: No Baldwin match, Wix 51715
Rowdyy1960
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The baldwin filter is what my dealer supplies (RCO tractor) and works fine. I haven't installed the wix filter yet but looks identical and is a direct cross on the wix site with the baldwin product. If you want to get the baldwin just look up RCO tractor on google and give them a call, the price was reasonable.
Indiana Larry
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an LS factory guy told me the 4100 series used the same oil filter as the 4000 series...am not sure I believe it....engines are so different. I have an XR 4145 HC. bought an LS filter from the dealer and it was $45,00. Just about choked. I am still looking for a cross. The 4100 series is not in the auto parts stores books yet.
Going to synthetic Rotella T6+ and want a Wix XP filter.
Going to synthetic Rotella T6+ and want a Wix XP filter.
Indiana Larry
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I concur, it does work. I also had the same mess on my XR 4145 HC
Indiana Larry
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Wix filters are available for the 4000 series, but not the newer 4100 with the 3 cylinder turbo. Those filters will be available before long. the factory filter at the dealer was $45.00. what a rip off.
Indiana Larry
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Wix filters makes the filters for NAPA. They are exactly the same so buy whichever is cheaper. I usually buy my Wix filters at O Reilley auto parts store.
Once a year NAPA has a filter sale and prices them below dealer cost to get folks in the stores. Was told this by a friend who manages a NAPA store. Buy and stock up then.
Once a year NAPA has a filter sale and prices them below dealer cost to get folks in the stores. Was told this by a friend who manages a NAPA store. Buy and stock up then.
Bentley Meredith
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A little off topic, but search function did not seem to help. I have a 3039, 2 1/2 years and battery is gone I guess, a little disappointing, but done fighting it. Any suggestions for where to get best price and anyone have recommendation on what band has lasted the longest for you?
According to Gary at LS...I need an 80 Amp with 660 Cold Cranking Amps...any help will be appreciated!
According to Gary at LS...I need an 80 Amp with 660 Cold Cranking Amps...any help will be appreciated!
Indiana Larry
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walmart batteries are as good as any. have purchased them before. price is better than most places.
delco makes the batteries sold a K Mart....had a delco employee tell me the standards for K Mart batteries were higher than the regular delco.
delco makes the batteries sold a K Mart....had a delco employee tell me the standards for K Mart batteries were higher than the regular delco.
When you consider this entire thread, here's how it turned out. I found that planning to do my entire 50hr myself was a confusing endeavor. My book says that only two fluids need to be changed and everything else "checked". My dealer had it quite the opposite. If you scour the web including this site, you should flush everything factory and start anew and then future maintenance is solid. Everything else excluded, I am a hostage to my dealer for the oil filter. Merles, Napa, Wix, everyone agrees that it exists. No one has it in stock. XR3135H is a new LS with a new LS engine. In a few years, we'll be swimming oil filters. In fact, it's rather cheap at the dealer, but everything else is going to cost me out the butt. I hope everyone else has the patience to hang on for the filter to go public but I want my 50hr out of the way and to travel on with my machine.
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What two fluids need to be changed? The hydraulic and hydrostatic are a common sump. That just leaves the engine oil as the second fluid.
My R3039H manual is clear. 50 hour service was engine oil and filter change. Hydraulic and hydrostatic filters only changed. Next fluid change for hydrostatic and hydraulic is 300 hours.
I bought all three filters and 2 gallons of hydraulic fluid to have on hand for any loss during filter change for around $140 from my dealer. I didn't see this as over priced and in the future, the need for filters (at least hydraulic and hydrostatic) will be years apart.
By the way, I was ready for the hydrostatic and hydraulic oil loss on filter removal and only lost about 2 quarts total.
Indiana Larry
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use the vaccum cleaner and you we'll only lose what is in the filter.....really works......my dealer said not to change the hst filter on the 50 hour. he said it is okay to wait till the fluid change.
I changed oil and hydraulic filter on the 50 hour.....I have an XR 4145 HC.......I was charged $45 for the LS oil filter....last time I'll buy that one.
I changed oil and hydraulic filter on the 50 hour.....I have an XR 4145 HC.......I was charged $45 for the LS oil filter....last time I'll buy that one.
downs807
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Rowdy here you've got 2 separate filters listed for hydraulic but when I look at the wix site they only list one? What's the difference you think?
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Rowdyy1960
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The xp according to the description is designed speciffically for synthetic oils
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