Mahindra Max 28XL or Kubota B2920?

[DavesTractor]

Nice Vid.....BUT.....It may just be an optical illusion, but I could swear that if you pause theat video @ 1:56 and again @ 2:11 it looks like that lift cylinder is bowing:confused2:

In all of this rambling though, I totally forgot about curl force. I have been talking (and I guess we may not have been on the same page) about LIFT ONLY. When I lifted my propane tank (~1400-1500lbs), it was LIFT only. Curl was NOT used. And I was rigged @ the cutting edge. So Yes, that max probabally would have lifted it but ONLY with curl.

This has now got me wondering how much I would actually be able to lift if using curl function as well. Because I never do that when lifting something to move because that adds WAY more stress on the lift circuit. In that vid, if you went into relief @ 900lbs lift, and you almost doubled that with the curl, that means them cylinders and hoses are seeing almost double relief pressure as well :EEK:

We were actually on the same page, the curl idea just came along at the last minute and frankly we were surprised when the back of the forklft came up.

And you are right, whenever you are at max breakout force, you are putting everything near maximum. It really isn't smart to be using the curl to maximize lift on a regular basis. If you needed to do this, you should buy a larger tractor. This was just a demo for someone that thought a Max would have the rear in the air without a tremendous amount of ballast.

There is no doubt that your much larger Kubota L series will outlift any SCUT, as well it should. But, I'll take your Kubota in trade if you insist..... Would that be the sale of the year or what? :thumbsup:

 

[madmax12]

Wild!!! I need to get one of those scales... I'd like to test my Max28XL.

Dave, where can I buy a scale/gauge (what is the proper terminology?) to perform the same test? I cannot find a tool like that, with that capacity.

 

[LD1]

We were actually on the same page, the curl idea just came along at the last minute and frankly we were surprised when the back of the forklft came up.

I am suprised it only had 1700lbs over the back when unloaded:confused2:

And you are right, whenever you are at max breakout force, you are putting everything near maximum. It really isn't smart to be using the curl to maximize lift on a regular basis. If you needed to do this, you should buy a larger tractor. This was just a demo for someone that thought a Max would have the rear in the air without a tremendous amount of ballast.

Probabally the lower lift height and keeping the bucket in tight. You said 46" from axle CL to edge right??? I measured mine. It is 66". So I guess that is a good bit there.

There is no doubt that your much larger Kubota L series will outlift any SCUT, as well it should. But, I'll take your Kubota in trade if you insist..... Would that be the sale of the year or what? :thumbsup:

I still dont consider the Max a SCUT:laughing:, And if you insist on a trade....I'll take a 4035 HST 4wd w/FEL and 3 remotes even up on the trade

And in all seriousness, your vid prompted me to do some tests of my own in my own crude way. Results and pics to come. Give me 15 minutes to type it up and upload the pics:thumbsup:

 

[LD1]

Okay....Here goes.

My crude setup I will describe but the pics will show it best. All I have is 2 550lb game scales. Which I believe show about 10% LESS than actual based on weighing myself on certified scales at work and then on these. But I wont use that for any excuses.

The setup is with a big pully. Since only the 2 scales give me 1100lb capacity, with a simple pully, I can double that. So basically with the setup and 2 scales, lift force is actually 4x's what is shown. All this is hooked to the outrigger on the 5500BH.

The first pic is the set-up. and then LIFT ONLY. Scale shows 330# which is actuall 1330#. (This is at the cutting edge as you can see). Not bad.

Now for curl test:confused2: I kept the lift pressure on. Gauge shows ~2700PSI and it is only a 3000PSI guage. I hit curl and the gauge pegs instantly proving that there is WAY more than relief force when using a "curl assisted lift". Anyway....Keep going. Back wheel lifts. I improvise quick and chuck a 50# rock and an hunk of wood on the back of my ~1100# cutter. Keep going....... Big game scales are 550#. Well around goes the dial and back to ~35 or so past 0:confused2: There is about a 20# void between 550 and 0, so going back to +35, we are now at about 605#. Up comes a back tire again:confused2: In all fairness, I was on an ever-so-slight grade. but at this point, I call it quits. No point in seeing what the inside of the scales look like scatterd all over:laughing: so...605 x 4 = 2420# curl force and probabally a tad more with a good way to measure.

Next thread.....How to Fix Ford 5500 outrigger:laughing::laughing:

PS: Backhoe stayed down. Note to Dave....Use sufficient weight when testing FEL

 

[madmax12]

Cool test, LD1.

I found some sites with those mechanical crane scales / dynamometers... they are expensive. Maybe I can borrow one somewhere...

So... these words sound like someone who's put some thought into owning a Mahindra:

"I still dont consider the Max a SCUT, And if you insist on a trade....I'll take a 4035 HST 4wd w/FEL and 3 remotes even up on the trade"

Just sayin...

 

[LD1]

Cool test, LD1.

I found some sites with those mechanical crane scales / dynamometers... they are expensive. Maybe I can borrow one somewhere...

So... these words sound like someone who's put some thought into owning a Mahindra:

"I still dont consider the Max a SCUT, And if you insist on a trade....I'll take a 4035 HST 4wd w/FEL and 3 remotes even up on the trade"

Just sayin...

I consider everything when buying. And I always like to window shop:licking:

If I had the money, I would own one of everything. But If I ever get another tractor (not ant time soon) it would be a tough decision between a mahindra 4035/5035, kioti DK40/45/50, and a kubota M or L5040.

But there will probabally be several new models come and go before I ever get another. I just figured if he wanted my Kubota bad enough (to have a REAL tractor on the lot:laughing It was worth a shot.

 

[madmax12]

Smart man LD1. Plan ahead

Thanks for doing that test and pics. Daves video is wicked cool.

I don't really want to spend $800 for one of those crane scales... but I would like to have one... maybe your method is something to consider.

I've enjoyed our discussion. I'm learning. I always will be.

Be ready for alot of newbie questions over the years...

 

[Green Guy]

Orange Man (premature board name?) - is the Max 28XL HST or shuttle shift? I see Mahindra lists both on their web site, but when I downloaded the PDF spec sheet, it only showed the shuttle transmission. In that size tractor, and for what you want to do, I would not want anything but HST. HST vs shuttle would account for some of the price difference, if in fact the Max 28XL you're looking at is shuttle and not HST.

Yeah, it could very well be a premature board name, hahahaha! The Max 28XL is HST. Yes, don't think the shuttle is my kinda thing.

 

[madmax12]

... it is rare to need more than about 1000 lbs lift capacity on a front loader with a 5' or smaller bucket. So if someone just loves the Kubota or JD and is concerned about giving up 40% lift capacity on the front end loader if they don't buy a Mahindra, I'll concede that for most people it isn't quite as important as the specs show. A load of loose dirt in a 5' bucket is how much? 500-600lbs? Now breaking it out of a pile takes more grunt, and that is where the huge lift capacity is handy. Also using forks to carry stuff makes even a big tractor look small quickly, so if moving pallets around is an important task, get the higher lift. But if you move a lot of palletized stuff, get a forklift. A tiny forklift will lift what a 75 HP tractor will lift.

Dave, there are a few companies in the world that make the real forklift mechanism for the 3pt hitch. I would think that would turn any tractor into a forklift... a real one. Have you come across any of those? I'll try to find the links...

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[Green Guy]

Orange Man,

Now that many have showed the merits of a red tractor, would you consider another? I really like this one too! TYM 293

Well, I'm going to take a look at a Mahindra Max28XL TLB this weekend at my local dealer which is about 12 miles away.

 

[hizoot]

Dave, that's AWESOME!

Now shoot a video of the MAX28XL scooping up that fork truck, and then running with it! All compliments aside, I don't think any L3800s or 3038Es would accomplish that task! Congrats on a Superior Compact Utility Tractor!

I have no dog in this hunt,but just wanted to show xskier that a 3038E would probably lift this no problem. Here is my JD 2520 lifting a 5 ton rooftop package unit w/gas heat full height. Unit weighs 1080 not including the wood pallet. The 3038E is rated for more than my 2520 by a couple hundred pounds. Mine is rated at 900 in some pamplets and 800 in others...obviously JD under rates them

 

[madmax12]

Well, I'm going to take a look at a Mahindra Max28XL TLB this weekend at my local dealer which is about 12 miles away.

Nice! Have fun shopping.

 

[oldnslo]

LD1 Bota VS Max 28XL

The max 28XL was with the FEL next to ground trying to lift the fork lift. LD1's pictures show having the FEL 4- 5 feet or more in the air. This difference in FEL height changes how quick the rear end lifts.

Roy

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Mahindra built over 200,000 tractors in 2010.

It says 80-90,000 in their financial reports? Thats what's never jived with any explination I've read from you.

 

[LD1]

LD1 Bota VS Max 28XL

The max 28XL was with the FEL next to ground trying to lift the fork lift. LD1's pictures show having the FEL 4- 5 feet or more in the air. This difference in FEL height changes how quick the rear end lifts.

Roy

I would have liked it to be alot lower but the way I had to rig it and set it up, that was about as low as I could go.

Next up on the wish list.....5k lb scale

 

[madmax12]

LD1 Bota VS Max 28XL

The max 28XL was with the FEL next to ground trying to lift the fork lift. LD1's pictures show having the FEL 4- 5 feet or more in the air. This difference in FEL height changes how quick the rear end lifts.

Roy

That was the Max 25... Not the Max28XL.

The Max 25 has a lift rating of 900. That's the tractor that raised the forklift.

The Max 28 XL is rated to lift 1400 lbs...with breakout close to 2700 lbs.

Dave tested the Max 25.

 

[madmax12]

A 2x2x2 cube of stone would weight about 950#. A sphere that fits in the same cube would be about 500#.

Where can I find that information? That would be cool to check out.

Edit -- Found this:

http://www.delawarequarries.com/landscape/boulders/boulderwt.html

Do you think this is accurate?

 

[DavesTractor]

Where can I find that information? That would be cool to check out.

Edit -- Found this:

Boulder Sizing and Weight Estimation

Do you think this is accurate?

I've referrred to this site for years for weights:

Specific Gravity Weights Of Materials from READE

 

[DavesTractor]

It says 80-90,000 in their financial reports? Thats what's never jived with any explination I've read from you.

Neil, you must be getting data from just one plant or something. Farm Equipment Magazine has reported more than once on Mahindra's total output, and arguably that is a neutral source. Mahindra is not shy sharing the numbers.

Also a quick google will net you this article: http://myiris.com/newsCentre/storyShow.php?fileR=20120402163041199&dir=2012/04/02

Mahindra sold 235,452 TRACTORS in FY2012, which is April 2011 through March 2012.

So I am not sure where the 80-90K numbers came from, but they aren't the entire picture. 235K tractors is almost 1000 tractors per day if you exclude weekends and holidays.

But this is worldwide, not just USA, and Kubota is extremely strong in the USA. The point being made though is that Mahindra isn't some off-brand outlier (your word) start-up company that is tinkering with the idea of selling a few tractors.

 

[DavesTractor]

Dave, there are a few companies in the world that make the real forklift mechanism for the 3pt hitch. I would think that would turn any tractor into a forklift... a real one. Have you come across any of those? I'll try to find the links...

Tractor mounted forklift lifting a round bale - YouTube

Tractor Mounted Fork Lift - YouTube

These are fairly common in the ag world for moving prune boxes and nut boxes, although fancy bin carriers are taking their place. No doubt the rear of the tractor is a great place for carrying heavy loads.