Mahindra MPOW85 has no power, bought New:

[dickfoster]

Tractor has been at the dealer numerous times. I had it put on Dyno at local JD dealer(twice). PTO hp is 61-64. When I have complained to Mahindra Customer Service and to dealer about the hp, the Customer service said that advertised HP is Motor HP, Not PTO horsepower.
If i am pushing snow and the rpm's are at 1000 it will not speed up when you give it throttle, it will just back off instead. Must have it over 1000-1200 rpms to have any power at all to push snow. Temperature outside is at 30-40 degrees when using it. it is not a fuel issue.
The dealer did a complete oil and fuel change at 50 hours, and it has not improved the power at all.

Isn't it supposed to be putting 70HP to the PTO?
If it's financed you can always have them come and pick it up and tell them you'll start making payments again once it's returned to you and performing up to spec. Till then, not another dime.
I see they sell this model with a diagnostic computer option, it's an odd thing if the dealer hasn't bothered to hook one up yet.

 

[Navasot]

Isn't it supposed to be putting 70HP to the PTO?
If it's financed you can always have them come and pick it up and tell them you'll start making payments again once it's returned to you and performing up to spec. Till then, not another dime.
I see they sell this model with a diagnostic computer option, it's an odd thing if the dealer hasn't bothered to hook one up yet.

Lol goodluck with that.... great way to ruin your credit

 

[dickfoster]

Lol goodluck with that.... great way to ruin your credit

Well in this state anything they have a thing called a lemon law. He's surly met the criteria for that already if his state has one. I think once they get the idea they might actually wind up standing in front of a judge, they'll get their backsides in gear and get it taken care of the way they should. Remember, if he's still holding the money, he's holding the long end of the stick. Financing if any is though Mahindra not the dealer but probably the finance is really with some bank or other financial institution. It's time to put the pressure on though the money chain if there is one. No one expects people to pay for something and not get what they pay for and they know that too. In the end the only loser here can be the dealer. If they are a lousy dealer, Mahindra doesn't want to lose on their account. Selling one tractor at the cost of losing three simply isn't good business practice that will stand the test of time. They know that too. The squeaky wheel gets the grease but if you choose to suffer in silence you'll simply suffer alone.

 

[Btown]

Well in this state anything they have a thing called a lemon law. He's surly met the criteria for that already if his state has one. I think once they get the idea they might actually wind up standing in front of a judge, they'll get their backsides in gear and get it taken care of the way they should. Remember, if he's still holding the money, he's holding the long end of the stick. Financing if any is though Mahindra not the dealer but probably the finance is really with some bank or other financial institution. It's time to put the pressure on though the money chain if there is one. No one expects people to pay for something and not get what they pay for and they know that too. In the end the only loser here can be the dealer. If they are a lousy dealer, Mahindra doesn't want to lose on their account. Selling one tractor at the cost of losing three simply isn't good business practice that will stand the test of time. They know that too. The squeaky wheel gets the grease but if you choose to suffer in silence you'll simply suffer alone.

Granted the tractor appears to be a little low on PTO hp, he was pushing snow at 1000 rpm and expects it to speed up instantly when he gives it more throttle. He needs to raise his rpm some and his problem goes away.

 

[kneedeep]

Lower the gear and raise the RPM!! Make that bad boy work! You got it all choked up- Let the stallion run man!
:steeringwheel:Check out my avatar-That aint 1200 RPM!
Adjust your speed with the transmission and not the throttle.

JMHO

 

[Navasot]

Well in this state anything they have a thing called a lemon law. He's surly met the criteria for that already if his state has one. I think once they get the idea they might actually wind up standing in front of a judge, they'll get their backsides in gear and get it taken care of the way they should. Remember, if he's still holding the money, he's holding the long end of the stick. Financing if any is though Mahindra not the dealer but probably the finance is really with some bank or other financial institution. It's time to put the pressure on though the money chain if there is one. No one expects people to pay for something and not get what they pay for and they know that too. In the end the only loser here can be the dealer. If they are a lousy dealer, Mahindra doesn't want to lose on their account. Selling one tractor at the cost of losing three simply isn't good business practice that will stand the test of time. They know that too. The squeaky wheel gets the grease but if you choose to suffer in silence you'll simply suffer alone.

A little heavier foot will correct this so called problem.... or just roll around and throw a fit when something doesn't go your way... lemon law it is I guess

 

[DavesTractor]

If they tractor is putting out 64 HP on a dyno, that is 91% of what the specs call for. I'd ask the dealer to get that up to 100%. And in the defense of the OP, the newer diesels do not rev as fast from lower rpms, especially with a load. The older diesels would pour on the fuel and gain the rpm quicker I believe, and roll a little coal out the exhaust pipe doing so. Emissions requirements do not allow for that anymore. Combine that with a heavy tractor and running way too low rpm, and it will sure feel sluggish. As many have said, raise the rpm significantly and lower the gear and the tractor will push snow, and a snow bank, and a car in the snow bank, and the tree behind it. This is a strong machine, but not at idle.

Foster, your advice on lemon law would not apply if an operator was not running the tractor correctly, and I think you are thinking about consumer protection for autos anyway. And the finance arm and the sales arm of Mahindra are two distinct companies and not making payments is a poor idea. There are better ways to get attention if a problem persists.

 

[dickfoster]

If they tractor is putting out 64 HP on a dyno, that is 91% of what the specs call for. I'd ask the dealer to get that up to 100%. And in the defense of the OP, the newer diesels do not rev as fast from lower rpms, especially with a load. The older diesels would pour on the fuel and gain the rpm quicker I believe, and roll a little coal out the exhaust pipe doing so. Emissions requirements do not allow for that anymore. Combine that with a heavy tractor and running way too low rpm, and it will sure feel sluggish. As many have said, raise the rpm significantly and lower the gear and the tractor will push snow, and a snow bank, and a car in the snow bank, and the tree behind it. This is a strong machine, but not at idle.

Foster, your advice on lemon law would not apply if an operator was not running the tractor correctly, and I think you are thinking about consumer protection for autos anyway. And the finance arm and the sales arm of Mahindra are two distinct companies and not making payments is a poor idea. There are better ways to get attention if a problem persists.

I know we're just hearing one side but so far it sounds as if he is being ignored by his dealer and Mahindra, so what do you suggest, Dave? From my experience in life, money talks and BS walks. I know if I were being ignored, I wouldn't continue to pay for something that didn't work, it was still under warranty and they can not or will not fix it. That's exactly why many states passed lemon laws in the first place. If it's him then you are correct but if not, someone needs to take off the gloves and quit ***** footing around. Then everyone will be better off, both the buyer and Mahindra because it's just this kind of nonsense that wiped out Detroit.

It may be that lemon laws are for autos but it should apply to everything, tractors included. There are no excuses for poor quality and/or poor service, period. Certainly not for these kinds of prices and I'm fairly confident that most judges would see it that way too.

I wish for the old days when folks held themselves to a higher standard, their word actually meant something and stuff like lemon laws weren't needed.

 

[Teachu2]

I know we're just hearing one side but so far it sounds as if he is being ignored by his dealer and Mahindra, so what do you suggest, Dave? From my experience in life, money talks and BS walks. I know if I were being ignored, I wouldn't continue to pay for something that didn't work, it was still under warranty and they can not or will not fix it. That's exactly why many states passed lemon laws in the first place. If it's him then you are correct but if not, someone needs to take off the gloves and quit ***** footing around. Then everyone will be better off, both the buyer and Mahindra because it's just this kind of nonsense that wiped out Detroit.

It may be that lemon laws are for autos but it should apply to everything, tractors included. There are no excuses for poor quality and/or poor service, period. Certainly not for these kinds of prices and I'm fairly confident that most judges would see it that way too.

I wish for the old days when folks held themselves to a higher standard, their word actually meant something and stuff like lemon laws weren't needed.

While I agree with your sentiments, your advice is off-base. Not paying on his financing won't fix the problem, but will get his credit screwed and his tractor repo'd. Most judges would see that auto lemon laws don't apply to anything but autos.

This issue as presented may be a tractor problem, an operator problem, a communication problem, or even a service problem, but it's not a financing problem.

 

[dickfoster]

While I agree with your sentiments, your advice is off-base. Not paying on his financing won't fix the problem, but will get his credit screwed and his tractor repo'd. Most judges would see that auto lemon laws don't apply to anything but autos.

This issue as presented may be a tractor problem, an operator problem, a communication problem, or even a service problem, but it's not a financing problem.

You'll be my first call when I want to sell some junk that doesn't work. However, I think you may be out of touch. If it's his problem then fine, it's in his court and he's on the hook I have no issue with that. However if it's their problem and they are not taking care of it it's in their court. These days the courts have a rather dim view of poor service or products not performing as they should when new. At the end of the day, it's seen as a simple contract in any court in this country, lemon law or not. Now I'm not talking about spilling hot coffee in my lap, I'm talking about paying for something and not getting it if this is indeed the case.
A contract, any contract, goes both ways. In this case you're contracted to pay for and receive something and financing if any is a legal and binding part of that contract for both parties, it is not separate nor does it stand alone.
At the least I would diligently document all communications with the dealer regarding the issue and let them know that I was doing so. I would also let Mahindra know. I surely would not hunker down, take a screwing and pay anyway.

BTW Not that I care but my credit rating is probably higher than Donald Trump's and I've always played hardball with stuff like this.

 

[oldpilgrim]

Its interesting that the OP hasn't posted since November.

 

[dickfoster]

Its interesting that the OP hasn't posted since November.

Maybe they finally fixed the thing or maybe he found out it was something he was doing or maybe the dealer done away with him.

 

[DavesTractor]

Maybe they finally fixed the thing or maybe he found out it was something he was doing or maybe the dealer done away with him.

Or maybe he took your advice and quit making payments and it ruined his credit and he lost his house and is living under a bridge somewhere waiting for his lemon law mediation hearing, without wifi so he can't post....

Ha! Keep your sense of humor Dick, just yanking your chain!

I do hope he had it checked out and they got the HP up to spec. Then if he runs the rpm up near normal, I think he will be happy with the tractor. They can be a little doggy under load from an idle, mostly due to EPA constraints. The old 7520 (predecessor to the mPower85 and 8560) was a hot rod, but it did throw out some smoke doing so.

 

[dickfoster]

Or maybe he took your advice and quit making payments and it ruined his credit and he lost his house and is living under a bridge somewhere waiting for his lemon law mediation hearing, without wifi so he can't post....

Ha! Keep your sense of humor Dick, just yanking your chain!

I do hope he had it checked out and they got the HP up to spec. Then if he runs the rpm up near normal, I think he will be happy with the tractor. They can be a little doggy under load from an idle, mostly due to EPA constraints. The old 7520 (predecessor to the mPower85 and 8560) was a hot rod, but it did throw out some smoke doing so.

Yep between me, Mahindra and that dealer, his life is ruined forever. What a team. It's almost as if the gubberment was involved somehow. Only they know how to screw with people like that but they don't need no hep.

 

[kneedeep]

He probably pulled on that throttle out of frustration and shot that workhorse in the air :laughing:

 

[ACWSPEEDPATROL]

Tractor has been at the dealer numerous times. I had it put on Dyno at local JD dealer(twice). PTO hp is 61-64. When I have complained to Mahindra Customer Service and to dealer about the hp, the Customer service said that advertised HP is Motor HP, Not PTO horsepower.
If i am pushing snow and the rpm's are at 1000 it will not speed up when you give it throttle, it will just back off instead. Must have it over 1000-1200 rpms to have any power at all to push snow. Temperature outside is at 30-40 degrees when using it. it is not a fuel issue.
The dealer did a complete oil and fuel change at 50 hours, and it has not improved the power at all.

Did you ever get your 85 lack of umpf figured out. I have one with 875 hrs and it has been similar since 500 hrs. No real 83 hp power. Thanks for your time. Rik

 

[kneedeep]

Crank that motor up- listen to the turbo, it has to spin fast to make HP.
My 8560 sweet spot is @1750 rpm, subsoiled shoved as deep as it will go can stop forward motion but wheels keep turning until shear bolt breaks. If shear bolt don’t break, it will dig 4 holes till it bottoms out.
BTDT in a soggy Duck Hole.

 

[ACWSPEEDPATROL]

Crank that motor up- listen to the turbo, it has to spin fast to make HP.
My 8560 sweet spot is @1750 rpm, subsoiled shoved as deep as it will go can stop forward motion but wheels keep turning until shear bolt breaks. If shear bolt don’t break, it will dig 4 holes till it bottoms out.
BTDT in a soggy Duck Hole.

Last two day getting a ch.en.lt after warm up then goes limp, barely 1500 rpm. No throttle response but idles perfect. Very cold here now but no issues last season. Will try to pull some codes later but not sure if my car scanner will work and if it does won't know what the codes mean.hahaha

 

[kneedeep]

Sounds like you need a good dealer that can troubleshoot it.
Could be some sort of electrical glitch.
Sometimes it takes a lot of effort and money to repair equipment.
I have spent 3k on BadBoy Buggy,
Almost 1k on a Mule and
10k on a 06 Duramax.
14k on equipment repairs that would cost 100k to replace.
All in the last 2 years.

 

[ACWSPEEDPATROL]

Nearest dealer is 2.5 hrs away. I'll figure it out or the pink bunny will have to sit and watch me use a 33 year old German air cooled Deutz 4wd get the work done around this ranch. Best engines ever made IMHO. Next to no electronics to fiddle with. Just needs a cab with heat and AC like my 85P.