MF 1835M loader support collapsed on tractor

[Jagnut]

Is "ALO" a substitute for ÅLÖ? ÅLÖ is a Swedish company with a good reputation, and the Swedes do know meallurgy. The issue goes back to MF regardless, as they specified the price they were willing to ay.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Is "ALO" a substitute for ÅLÖ? ÅLÖ is a Swedish company with a good reputation, and the Swedes do know meallurgy. The issue goes back to MF regardless, as they specified the price they were willing to ay.

That'd be the same company, yes, and they're known around the world for their quality. I think that's one of the things that's made this thread so popular in such short order; people are familiar with the brand, and they expect quality from it. Failures like this are so uncommon that it's quite concerning when it happens.

 

[tacticalturnip]

It would be interesting to see if the current frames are made differently. The sticker on that one says REV2. Are they perhaps up to REV3 or REV4?

Also, wonder if the welds would be the same on the broken and new frames. As in, were some missed on the broken frame?

If I get a chance I'll swing out to my dealer and look at the loaders there, I'd be curious if there have been revisions past 2.

 

[LittleBill21]

Interesting. Do you happen to have a diagram how this works? I always thought when the spool is centered it closes all other ports off so no way for the relief to work.

and if you think about it, having a relief could be dangerous, we have all seen the video's of the hydraulic spikes when leverage gets applied to the cylinders, if you kept the relief in the entire time, the loader will drop if it encounters a bounce while moving.

 

[SATOHBULL]

I had a similar failure on a trailer, looked like your pics. Welder laid ahigh bead on, not in, the joint. Then ground off the bead improve its appearance. Only left a paper thin weld, which cracked from flex and vibration.

Old saying: grinder and paint will make me the welder I ain't.

Bottom line, IMHO at least, poor worksmanship compounded by poor QC.

 

[Bison]

Poor design and poor material. Probably made in China.

 

[5030]

Looking at it, I'd say it was abused somehow and started to crack away but wasn't noticed prior to failure. Stuff like that don't just happen, it has to be brought on by some sort of abuse.

 

[sportscarclinic]

Massey doesn't make 'em like they used to (I mean back when they were still headquartered in England). Anyway, it's clear that the welds had inclusions that rusted after the paint failed at the top of the bracket, the region most exposed to sun, water and abrasion from falling dirt and rock. It's also likely the steel is poor quality. Good quality, high carbon steel doesn't rust fast or deep even when unpainted and exposed to weather. Nowadays most of the steel used in the manufacture of consumer level products is smelted from the recycled junk we ship to China. It's got rust baked-in at the foundry. Buy an orange one next time.

 

[5030]

Kubota loaders as well as other implements are made in Georgia or at Land Pride.

 

[charlessenf]

Was moving dirt today when all of the sudden my loader started going down all by itself. This was crazy looking. You can see in the photos that the loader sub frame gave way on both sides. It appears to be either bad welds or cheap metal. Either way, it’s nuts that it would do this with only 140 hours on it.

IS MF standing behind the machine?
There is an implied warranty of suitability for intended use at law and the location of this obvious fault of manufacture would likely sway a judge to rule that your failure to notify during the warranty period is not material.

I sued GM years ago for a similar fault on a Chevy Vega and won - albeit in County Small Claims court. I suspect this is not going to fit the parameters of your Small Claims Court. Document the hell out of it, take it to a dealer and get them to write out a repairs estimate, then write a demand letter to MF and the dealer. If the repairs estimate will fit in your SCC, and you feel comfortable proceeding, make sure you have a court reporter transcribing your case before the judge.

Otherwise, you need to find an attorney who will charge you less than the repair work to bring the case!

 

[DaBear3428]

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that is a feature not a bug, makes changing the oil filter more convenient.

 

[FERLING]

You get what you pay for.

Not Really! I assume he didn't get an above discount because of a defective made loader?

 

[Denali94]

Chains, come along, welding machine are in order.

No. That metal has yielded past the point of 'strain hardening' and should not be considered for anything other than an anchor. New metal in the form of a manufactured bracket is the only proper answer.

 

[deezler]

One thing that is immediately clear is that the loader was still being used heavily for a good while after the first cracks began, haha.

I'm not sure most of us would know to inspect for cracks in obscure areas of the loader subframe. But it sure would have been better to discover the cracks before the entire mount failed.

 

[chim]

Some factory welds aren't all that great. Here's a picture of factory welds on a TS rear blade that let loose.

 

[Randy52]

I looked at Massey, Kubota and Mahrinda. Before buying my TYM. TYM are build much heavier. I had a TYM 394 upgraded to a 494.

 

[ClinchfieldPaul]

Was moving dirt today when all of the sudden my loader started going down all by itself. This was crazy looking. You can see in the photos that the loader sub frame View attachment 802798 gave way on both sides. It appears to be either bad welds or cheap metal. Either way, it’s nuts that it would do this with only 140 hours on it.

Am I missing something here. Aren't there suppose to be a brace on each side that goes for the loader mount to the front of the tractor frame for support? The brace behind the hydraulic piston on the photo I have attached

 

[BCLoco]

That sucks. The issue is not the steel or the design. It's the build.

The pictures aren't the clearest, but it looks like the top weld on both brackets was misplaced, with little-to-no penetration on the tractor side of the joint. Jig or programming problem if it was a robotic welder, which a lot of them are nowadays. Yours are likely not the first ones that AGCO has seen with the issue, and I suspect you won't have a problem getting free replacements that are welded correctly. I wouldn't bother fixing those ones. As has already been mentioned in this thread, the metal all around that failure is going to be severely compromised.

I recently had a bit of experience with this exact issue on the other end of my tractor... CB85 Backhoe boom arm split

I'm not sure who makes the backhoes, but poorly located welds on workpieces are really showing the weak point of robotic welding vs skilled tradesmen.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

No. That metal has yielded past the point of 'strain hardening' and should not be considered for anything other than an anchor. New metal in the form of a manufactured bracket is the only proper answer.

Plates over welded up cracks and tears, weld more bracing. The one that says it can't be done needs to stay out of the way of the one that's doing it

 

[Denali94]

Interesting. Do you happen to have a diagram how this works? I always thought when the spool is centered it closes all other ports off so no way for the relief to work.

It appears that aircommuter is talking about relief valves for the hydraulic circuit, not the individual valves. In another life I was a marine engieer in commercil fishing. all our valves had built in reliefs that functioned when the valve was actuated. when in the neutral position the relief was inactive. This was essential. Now on a few systems such as a crab pot hauler or a trawl net reel, there was an additional relief built into the system (not the valve) to allow for vessel surge when the valve controlling the hauler or reel was in neutral.