Missing 777

[buickanddeere]

Not enough fuel on board.

With all the dithering on the night of the disappearance . There was enough time to land in some out of the way place and refuel. Then carry on sneaking to some hiding place.

 

[lilranch2001]

They probably put tap water in the batteries too

 

[texasjohn]

I can certainly see why mangostin would be coveted and a reason for making a whole plane disappear...no wonder the Chinese are so bothered by the loss:duh:

Medicinal Uses: Dried fruits are shipped from Singapore to Calcutta and to China for medicinal use. The sliced and dried rind is powdered and administered to overcome dysentery. Made into an ointment, it is applied on eczema and other skin disorders. The rind decoction is taken to relieve diarrhea and cystitis, gonorrhea and gleet and is applied externally as an astringent lotion. A portion of the rind is steeped in water overnight and the infusion given as a remedy for chronic diarrhea in adults and children. Filipinos employ a decoction of the leaves and bark as a febrifuge and to treat thrush, diarrhea, dysentery and urinary disorders. In Malaya, an infusion of the leaves, combined with unripe banana and a little benzoin is applied to the wound of circumcision. A root decoction is taken to regulate menstruation. A bark extract called "amibiasine", has been marketed for the treatment of amoebic dysentery.

The rind of partially ripe fruits yields a polyhydroxy-xanthone derivative termed mangostin, also ﾟ-mangostin. That of fully ripe fruits contains the xanthones, gartanin, 8-disoxygartanin, and normangostin. A derivative of mangostin, mangostin-e, 6-di-O-glucoside, is a central nervous system depressant and causes a rise in blood pressure.


Actually, we'll discover that there is a new magician in town...and the latest trick is making a plane vanish:joker::wink::magician:

I don't know why the rest of you conspiracy folks couldn't figure this out...so obvious...er...unobvious...er...missing or something...

 

[murphy1244]

They probably put tap water in the batteries too

:laughing::thumbsup:

 

[bcp]

I can certainly see why mangostin would be coveted and a reason for making a whole plane disappear...no wonder the Chinese are so bothered by the loss:duh:

My point on the mangosteen is that is is very much out of season now. Not available until summer. And it is grown on trees in orchards, not greenhouses.

I think the speaker just answered the question about cargo with whatever harmless thing popped into his mind.

Bruce

 

[texasjohn]

Sure, I'm just bemused by the whole "who dunnit" thing. I feel greatly for the people on board and their families, of course. But just can't quite buy, seriously, into the multi-complex conspiracy theories involving most present governments and named non-state entities, both regarding "who dunnit" and who all's covering up the big plane, passengers, electronic info from multiple countries and orbit, and ground dwellers from fishermen to farmers, on multiple waters, land masses and islands.

We just can't believe that unfortunate events, incompetency or confusion can happen anymore, particularly from our arm chair. I do admit that the talking heads have little to say and simply repeat that waiting for another tidbit of info or confusion to arise.

 

[KTurner]

Here's an article with much less sinister speculation than what we've been seeing so far...
A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com

 

[dragoneggs]

From the access door in the floor of the flight deck into the from avionics compartment. How much access is there to the oxygen system , into the front wheel well and back into the cargo compartments?
What other access hatches are there from the passenger deck down into the lower lever of the airframe?

I was involved in the design of the access hatch. I choose not to discuss the specifics... but one would have access to the Fwd E/E bay and Fwd pressurized cargo bay.

 

[buickanddeere]

Here's an article with much less sinister speculation than what we've been seeing so far...
A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com

How would an airplane on fire transmit for 7 hours? Where is the wreckage? Is the auto pilot going to operate with all possible electrical buses isolated?

 

[farmgirl19]

Maybe they were flying the airplane, not the autopilot flying the airplane. Pilots can do that, ya know? I am not familiar with the 777, but some equipment has cable controls. Some have hydraulic boost to assist, but if hydraulics are lost, one can still fly the aircraft. Redundancy is supposed to be built into the equipment. Hand flying without the hydraulics can be a little more difficult, but certainly not impossible, and most train for it in the simulator.

 

[smstonypoint]

Here's an article with much less sinister speculation than what we've been seeing so far...
A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com

The linked "smoke/fire" scenario makes sense except for one "fact" -- if the news reports are correct, the last voice message occurred after the plane had turned. It seems to me that the crew would have informed controllers of the smoke/fire problem rather than signing off with "good night."

A law enforcement official told CNN that the plane's programmed change in direction was entered at least 12 minutes before the plane's verbal sign-off with air traffic controllers at 1:19 a.m. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: How do planes change flight paths? - CNN.com

Steve

 

[aczlan]

Maybe they were flying the airplane, not the autopilot flying the airplane. Pilots can do that, ya know? I am not familiar with the 777, but some equipment has cable controls. Some have hydraulic boost to assist, but if hydraulics are lost, one can still fly the aircraft. Redundancy is supposed to be built into the equipment. Hand flying without the hydraulics can be a little more difficult, but certainly not impossible, and most train for it in the simulator.

The 777 is all fly by wire. No physical link between the controls and the control surfaces. From the Boeing 777 info page:

The flight-control system for the 777 airplane is different from those on other Boeing airplane designs. Rather than have the airplane rely on cables to move the ailerons, elevator, and rudder, Boeing designed the 777 with fly-by-wire technology. As a result, the 777 uses wires to carry electrical signals from the pilot control wheel, column, and pedals to a primary flight computer.

From the "Boeing B-777: Fly-By-Wire Flight Controls" PDF:

As noted previously, the 777 flight deck utilizes standard flight deck controls; a control column, wheel, and rudder pedals that are mechanically linked between the Captain’s and First Officer’s controls. This precludes any conflicting input between the Captain and First Officer into the Primary Flight Control System. Instead of the pilot controls driving quadrants and cables, as in a conventional system, they are attached to electrical transducers that convert mechanical displacement into electrical signals. A gradient control actuator is attached to the two control column feel units. These units provide the tactile feel of the control column by proportionally increasing the amount of force the pilot experiences during a maneuver with an increase in airspeed. This is consistent with a pilot’s experience in conventional commercial jet transports. Additionally, the flight deck controls are fitted with what are referred to as ‘‘backdrive actuators.” As the name implies, these actuators backdrive the flight deck controls during autopilot operation. This feature is also consistent with what a pilot is used to in conventionally controlled aircraft and allows the pilot to monitor the operation of the autopilot via immediate visual feedback of the pilot controls that is easily recognizable.

Aaron Z

 

[EddieWalker]

Problem with that theory seems to be that they turned off their communications and tracking information before anything happened. Seems like most on the radio are suggesting a fight took place in the cockpit and that's the reason for the altitude changes. Then either the plane flew itself after they both knocked each other out, or the bad guy won and he kept going to where he was planning on going. Odds of a fire are very slim and the reaction of the pilots don't fit with what they should have done.

It's interesting that the pilot had the simulator in his house and that he deleted information on what he had been doing with it.

Why wont Thailand share their radar information? Do they have anything? Wonder if those countries are afraid of neighboring countries finding out that they don't have good radar coverage and it's more important to ensure they don't find out then to acknowledge it and admit that they don't have a clue who is flying through their airspace?

Eddie

 

[mjarrels]

Many, many left over large airports in that part of the world from WWII, Korea war, Vietnam area that could conceal a B777 for a long time.

mark

 

[robbyr]

http://http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2014/03/13/awacs-hijack-proven-with-malaysia-airlines-flight-377/



This is an interesting theory. May be way off base but interesting. I'll let some of you more learned folks poke holes in this one.

 

[dragoneggs]

The 777 is all fly by wire. No physical link between the controls and the control surfaces. From the Boeing 777 info page:

From the "Boeing B-777: Fly-By-Wire Flight Controls" PDF:


Aaron Z

Not true... on the 777 there is a mechanical cable backup such that the pilot can take physical control.

 

[CobyRupert]

The 777 is all fly by wire. No physical link between the controls and the control surfaces. From the Boeing 777 info page:

From the "Boeing B-777: Fly-By-Wire Flight Controls" PDF:


Aaron Z

One must remember that sometimes in these affairs black is white, up is down. (Example: See item #8 of Operation Northwoods manual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods) Did the real plane even leave the airport? Here's yet another crazy possibility: Maybe the pilot (in the plane) weren't even flying it after they signed off. I've heard several reports that the plane was "in the shop" just weeks before for it's "routine service check-out". Yet when I try to google info on this: nothing. Would be good to know: Where? By who? Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to splice in some "remote controlled black boxes" in those (fly by) wire controls.

Ah, the possibilities are endless. Fun speculation, unfortunately they're hundreds of real lives involved.

 

[mikehaugen]

Not true... on the 777 there is a mechanical cable backup such that the pilot can take physical control.

I am in no way questioning you, but it's just hard to believe that any human would have the strength to mechanically control any flight controls on a plane that large. Is there at least some kind of assist? And if so, what powers it? Some sort of electric-hydraulic power source?

 

[mikehaugen]

http://http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2014/03/13/awacs-hijack-proven-with-malaysia-airlines-flight-377/



This is an interesting theory. May be way off base but interesting. I'll let some of you more learned folks poke holes in this one.

Am I the only one that is having trouble opening this link? Says it couldn't find the http.

 

[smstonypoint]

Am I the only one that is having trouble opening this link? Says it couldn't find the http.

I have the same trouble -- the link doesn't work.

Steve