Missing 777

Soundguy · Mar 20, 2014

MossRoad said:
A pair and a spare is a good, safe rule. .

been a long time since i heard that.. but ditto.

good mantra when you are not on the ground...

V1Rotate · Mar 20, 2014

Even with all the redundancy built into our aircraft we still routinely practice landing with failed primary flight controls.
We do this in the simulator during our recurrent training.
Not only is it possible to fly an airplane without most of its flight controls, it has been done. Back in the late 80s Capt. Al Haines landed a United DC-10 in Sioux City Iowa after a loss of all hydraulics. That aircraft has 3 independant hydraulic systems but no mechanical backup, an explosion of the number 2 engine caused fragments to penetrate a junction where all three systems passed in close proximity causing all fluid to be lost.
Unfortunatly some people died in that accident but the heroics of the flight crew saved most of the passengers.

MossRoad · Mar 20, 2014

V1Rotate said:
Even with all the redundancy built into our aircraft we still routinely practice landing with failed primary flight controls.
We do this in the simulator during our recurrent training.
Not only is it possible to fly an airplane without most of its flight controls, it has been done. Back in the late 80s Capt. Al Haines landed a United DC-10 in Sioux City Iowa after a loss of all hydraulics. That aircraft has 3 independant hydraulic systems but no mechanical backup, an explosion of the number 2 engine caused fragments to penetrate a junction where all three systems passed in close proximity causing all fluid to be lost.
Unfortunatly some people died in that accident but the heroics of the flight crew saved most of the passengers.

That was some incredible flying skill. Too bad so many people died. But despite the tragedy, it could have been a lot worse.

tcartwri · Mar 20, 2014

MossRoad said:
Then explain these photos of aircraft parts inside the Pentagon.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

There were also pictures of people still strapped in their seats. Very gruesome stuff.

texasjohn · Mar 20, 2014

Hey, if a person believes in conspiracies, then all they have to do is to say/allege something then it becomes a fact that supports their grandiose view of how somebody is out to get them. Logic and facts, provided by mossroad and others, take a flight of fancy and are best ignored or attacked.
Else they have to admit there is no conspiracy, and that is not permitted when they are in denial.

MossRoad · Mar 20, 2014

Soundguy said:
been a long time since i heard that.. but ditto.

good mantra when you are not on the ground...

An old dude taught me that saying a long time ago. To this day, I try to build redundancy into my mission-critical systems by having two complete systems and a good set of spare parts. However, in this economy, bean counters tend to question every purchase. I can't blame them. I just have to make an argument that if we are down for X hours, we will lose X dollars. If they see fit to justify losing X dollars while we are down, then so be it. At least they knew that going in and I have a clear mind.

rockinmywaypa · Mar 20, 2014

I am finding that when I am wondering what is going on with this disaster that I am ignoring all news statons and coming directly here to TBN to see what the experts have to say. Thanks guys for keeping me informed. A real great bunch of people all connected by having tractors.

rekees4300 · Mar 20, 2014

texasjohn said:
spotted from satellite....unclear what the two objects are...aircraft en route.

It's dawn there so we should know within the next 12 hours what the objects are (assuming they can find them).

RobertBrown · Mar 20, 2014

Sound logic from a qualified source......
A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com

aczlan · Mar 20, 2014

RobertBrown said:
Sound logic from a qualified source......
A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com

Except that IF you are having a fire and redirecting to another airport, why would you be saying "Good Night" at the handoff rather than "Mayday, Mayday, we are on fire and need to redirect to airport X" so that airport X can clear the way for you to get in and get the rescue equipment warmed up just in case?

Aaron Z