Model Advice

[bmaverick]

True about the RPM’s we will run at. 1st is on our Yanmars, we really do not have a 540 PTO rpm but speed 1 is close. But most brands even those USA models that only have a 540 PTO speed, we will find what we each consider the ‘sweet’ speed. But for starting out with a tractor, the best advice for that newbie is to set the rpm’s at the 540 setting however that is indicated for that model.

I have no idea what speed 1 is on my Yanmar YM2610. It shows 500 with the PTO selector for any of the 4 and what engine speed it runs at. Are the smaller Yanmars setup to just put it into a PTO number and then it just spins ???? I've not worked any Yanmar under the YM2500 to know otherwise. The YM3110 & YM3810 are very much like my YM2610 for RPMs and the PTO selector to get to the PTO speed.

 

[clemsonfor]

I have no idea what speed 1 is on my Yanmar YM2610. It shows 500 with the PTO selector for any of the 4 and what engine speed it runs at. Are the smaller Yanmars setup to just put it into a PTO number and then it just spins ???? I've not worked any Yanmar under the YM2500 to know otherwise. The YM3110 & YM3810 are very much like my YM2610 for RPMs and the PTO selector to get to the PTO speed.

I don't really understand the question but yes I just put my lever into one of the three PTO speeds via the gear shift lever. When I let out the clutch it spins. First is the normal 540 American speed. #2 ist like 720ish and third gear is like 1050 or something close. All these PTO speeds are at full operating speed which I think is 2400rpms in the tach. I have a YM2000.

 

[bmaverick]

I don't really understand the question but yes I just put my lever into one of the three PTO speeds via the gear shift lever. When I let out the clutch it spins. First is the normal 540 American speed. #2 ist like 720ish and third gear is like 1050 or something close. All these PTO speeds are at full operating speed which I think is 2400rpms in the tach. I have a YM2000.

Ah, so your Yanmar operates the PTO totally different than the larger Yanmars. now that makes sense. I was at first very confused when you stated PTO 1 only with nothing else explained.

Very interesting indeed. So, the later and bigger Yanmars have more perks then. I like it ! :thumbsup: Glad I didn't get a small model then.

 

[nova3930]

For the novice, to maybe clarify that a bit. 1 engine hour is 1 hour ran at PTO speed 1 at engine rpm痴 to obtain 540 PTO rpm痴. Now that is probably clear as muddy water.
That said, trying to keep math a bit simple, if 540 PTO is achieved at 2400 rpm痴. 1 hour of tractor work at 2400 rpms will move your hour meter 1 hour
Idling (fast idle) at 1200 rpms for 1 hour will add 0.5 hours to your hour meter (assuming all things are equal). So work your math based on your tractors rated rpm number and the rpms you run either do non-PTO work or by using a faster PTO gear and a reduced engine rpm.
I know clear as dirty water.

That's interesting they tie the Hobbs meter To rpm. All the equipment I've ever used it's been on or off with the engine. Makes sense to vary with rpm to get equivalent hours as engine component stresses and wear go up with the square of rpm.

 

[nova3930]

I would initially try the box blade with no additional ballast, as adding ballast for traction is always a pain to remove. It can be done, but anyone who has done so will agree it is a pain.
As you consider ballast, think about why you want ballast! If it is for traction, you will want it as close to the rear axle as possible (even on a 4wd model). There are trade offs with any type of ballast so research each type庸illed tires, wheel weights and on.
Many of us have made ballast for our 3ph due to the rear getting light using the FEL. In this mode a little weight on the 3ph may be more effective than filled tires. A big advantage to this is fairly easy removal. A big disadvantage is it is not usable if using an implement that might not be heavy enough.
Without a FEL and a heavy long rear implement, may require ballast in the front of the tractor葉ractor weights.
So trying not to make this a novel, you may have a need for several types of ballast based on what you are trying to do.

So i get saying no ballast to start, whatever I get, but that still leaves my question of whether the heavier unit is worth it. How much difference is 600lbs base weight gonna mean?

 

[California]

I have no idea what speed 1 is on my Yanmar YM2610. It shows 500 with the PTO selector for any of the 4 and what engine speed it runs at. Are the smaller Yanmars setup to just put it into a PTO number and then it just spins ???? I've not worked any Yanmar under the YM2500 to know otherwise. The YM3110 & YM3810 are very much like my YM2610 for RPMs and the PTO selector to get to the PTO speed.

Are you saying the tach is labelled for the various rpms needed to attain PTO 540 in the various pto gears?

Here's the YM2000/YM240 tach diagram. For US YM240 with two speed PTO, 2200 @ engine gives 540 or 1000 rpm at the PTO.

 

[clemsonfor]

So i get saying no ballast to start, whatever I get, but that still leaves my question of whether the heavier unit is worth it. How much difference is 600lbs base weight gonna mean?

On a 3000 pound tractor ( or whatever it weighs) 600 pounds is a lot.

 

[nova3930]

On a 3000 pound tractor ( or whatever it weighs) 600 pounds is a lot.

Data I can find,

2210 run aprox 2000lbs
2220 and 2420 run aprox 2600lbs

Now I have no idea how accurate that is.

 

[clemsonfor]

Data I can find,

2210 run aprox 2000lbs
2220 and 2420 run aprox 2600lbs

Now I have no idea how accurate that is.

I believe 2210 weighs that , my ym2000 weighs like 1800. I was thinking we were talking a bit larger tractors the 2610 comment muddied the waters for me. I knew the smaller ones were 2000 pounds.

 

[careyo63]

I'm showing. 2210-2wd. PS. 2083 lbs.
2220D-PS. 2635 lbs.
2420D-PS.2723
Ym2000-2wd. gear. 1664
This is off a old Yanmar Owners.com Info. and they match Tractor Data.com also..

 

[clemsonfor]

I'm showing. 2210-2wd. PS. 2083 lbs.
2220D-PS. 2635 lbs.
2420D-PS.2723
Ym2000-2wd. gear. 1664
This is off a old Owners.com Info. and they match Tractor Data.com also..

1800 must of been after my weighted front bumper. If we call it 1700 as it sits stock my ym2000 with ballast I estimate mine weighs closer to 2000pounds with ballast. I have filled rears which I estimate add about 180 pounds based on volume I put into them. And the front bumper which weighs about 150 pounds.

 

[nova3930]

I believe 2210 weighs that , my ym2000 weighs like 1800. I was thinking we were talking a bit larger tractors the 2610 comment muddied the waters for me. I knew the smaller ones were 2000 pounds.

Sorry about that. I was considering a 2610 but looking at the dimensions I think it's a physically larger tractor than what I want. For gardening purpose I think I want to stay a bit on the smaller side of things.

 

[clemsonfor]

Sorry about that. I was considering a 2610 but looking at the dimensions I think it's a physically larger tractor than what I want. For gardening purpose I think I want to stay a bit on the smaller side of things.

The 2210 is a great size for a midsize to large garden.

 

[Jtullis13]

Sorry I haven't been very consistent on TBN lately. Been getting ready for winter and helping friends work on their TDI cars. I have a 2210d and it is amazing, I wish I had 2 of them, one with a loader and one without only because it gets in the way sometimes, but is super handy to have when you need it. The 2210d is a nice size for medium to large areas and has plenty of power to do just about any job you want it to. I also wished I had a 1500d or 1700d a little more compact but still has plenty of power for most jobs.

 

[clemsonfor]

Sorry I haven't been very consistent on TBN lately. Been getting ready for winter and helping friends work on their TDI cars. I have a 2210d and it is amazing, I wish I had 2 of them, one with a loader and one without only because it gets in the way sometimes, but is super handy to have when you need it. The 2210d is a nice size for medium to large areas and has plenty of power to do just about any job you want it to. I also wished I had a 1500d or 1700d a little more compact but still has plenty of power for most jobs.

The price that you can buy these for you can almost buy the two you said for a compatible size JD even buying them from Fredrick's!!

 

[nova3930]

The 2210 is a great size for a midsize to large garden.

Yeah I think that frame size is optimal for my uses. The 2210 and 2420 are within an inch or so in every dimension from what I can find. Just a question of if I want to spend the money for the extra weight I think.

I should get a chance to go look in person tomorrow afternoon and get a much better feel for things.

 

[clemsonfor]

Yeah I think that frame size is optimal for my uses. The 2210 and 2420 are within an inch or so in every dimension from what I can find. Just a question of if I want to spend the money for the extra weight I think.

I should get a chance to go look in person tomorrow afternoon and get a much better feel for things.

With a tiller added weight won't make ANY difference for what your doing. IF your pulling a disk or bottom plow or box blade you will want the added weight and that's where it WILL make a difference. But like I said you can get creative and add 400 pounds to a 2210 and not change it's ability to be used for your purposes. It will track you yard more with those cleats.

 

[Jtullis13]

Let us know what you think of the 2 tractors you are looking at. As Clem said, you can get creative and add the extra weight you need if you get the 2210. No need for extra weight when tilling. Ballasting your tires is an easy and cheaper whey to add weight to any tractor. There are several different fluids you can use to do this, I went with Rimguard, also known as beet juice, and it has served me well for the extra weight and traction that I was looking for.

 

[CoyPatton]

Added weight is added weight and will result in added traction, but realize that as you went to a larger (at least PTO hp if not physically larger) tractor that weight is not all directly on the drive axle as adding wheel weights or filling tires would be.
As a side note, wheel weights are not easy to find for these tractors.
I run a YM2002D and 54” tiller, I have never felt the need for added ballast while tilling. A YM2210 would give you 2hp more at the PTO, I doubt you would ever experience an issue tilling.

 

[clemsonfor]

As JT says you can ballast the tires. I used windshield washer fluid, so it won't freeze and if one leaks I don't kill my cats or dogs as if I used anti freeze. And around here no one knows what time guard is.

But even with WWF I added about 180 pounds to the rear.

That 180 pounds in the rears made a world of difference. You would not believe what that amount of weight did to aid in allowing those tires to hook up to the ground when pulling. It does not sound like much and I didn't think I would notice a difference but I did. I would never not have filled rears on a small tractor now. Even if you just now it puts weight down low for stability.