More ethanol

TomSeller · May 21, 2013

sam5570 said:
as the old saying goes they cut there nose off to spite there face. some friends and i were talking about vehicles and fuel millage. in the mid 70's to the mid 80's there were several 4 cylinder and in line 6 cylinder engines that wold get well above 25 mpg. then here come epa with all this air quality garabge and now the same engines with all the stuff they got to pull to clen the exaust there down to 15 to 19 mpg, witch makes no sence before hand they were burning alot less fuel and now with all the so called improvments they burnning alot more.

Now that size engine is getting 30 to 40 mpg with cleaner air. Who would want to go back to worse mileage and dirty air?

MHarryE · May 22, 2013

TomSeller said:
Now that size engine is getting 30 to 40 mpg with cleaner air. Who would want to go back to worse mileage and dirty air?

Need to send them to Mexico. When I got out of the Cancun airport to where the taxis were standing, I started to choke. My lungs just weren't capable of handling that pollution anymore. And Mexico is clean compared to China. Do I miss changing plugs and points every 8,000 miles, getting 9 mpg on the highway with my unloaded pickup? Not a bit. Up here in the frozen north we used to add a bottle of alcohol with every fill up 8 months of the year to prevent gas line freeze. Now can you even find Heet on the shelf anymore?

arrow · May 22, 2013

TomSeller said:
Now that size engine is getting 30 to 40 mpg with cleaner air. Who would want to go back to worse mileage and dirty air?

My point here exactly. Engines are not getting this kind of mileage because of ethanol. They are getting this kind of mileage because cars are lighter, more aerodynamic, and deceased frictional properties of engines along with more efficient transmissions. If ethanol has been shown to decrease mileage, more volatiles have to be burned. The question remains: does ethanol really produce cleaner air if there is more combustion necessitated to go the same miles? 2. Conglomerations of cars within large cities produce more pollution. To what extent has ethanol reduced this pollution? 3. Does the energy needed to produce ethanol, offset any parameter of any other alleged savings measurement? What also must be examined is that if indeed any studies have been done, who did them and is there a connection to the ethanol industry?

arrow · May 22, 2013

MHarryE said:
Now can you even find Heet on the shelf anymore?

I'd much rather be able to regulate my own gas tank moisture than have someone do it for me at the cost of ruining everyone's chainsaws, weed wackers, motor cycles and every other small engine items we have. I'd also appreciated paying $8.99 for a 50lb bag of feed instead of $18.99 for 40lbs for the same feed. Ethanol has been a goldmine for only a selected few and has certainly come at our expense.

DEWFPO · May 23, 2013

TomSeller said:
We should continue to vote out of office the Republican party mostly responsible for this.

Why only the Republicans....? What about the Democrats. Did the current administration not approve E20 for use?

DEWPFO

piller · May 23, 2013

Ethanol blends reduce fuel economy compared to 100% gas. This results in consumers purchasing more gallons of fuel. Fuel is taxed by the gallon so consumers end up paying more in taxes.

Diamondpilot · May 24, 2013

TomSeller said:
We should continue to vote out of office the Republican party mostly responsible for this.

Are you kidding me?

Libral Dems have ruined this country and continue to. The feed the sheep Kool-Aid and they line up.

Too funny.

Chris

wyeguy · May 24, 2013

Luckily here in the middle of corn country, REAL gas is still readily available. Even with the socialists subsidized price, the better gas mileage I get more than pays for the higher cost of the REAL gas.

Don't understand how using more gas to go the same distance leads to cleaner air. The ethanol solution is a joke, all the way around, even environmentally. The tree huggers need to take a look at what the increased demand for corn does to increase rain forest decimation. SOMEBODY ought to be ashamed!

k0ua · May 25, 2013

wyeguy said:
Luckily here in the middle of corn country, REAL gas is still readily available. Even with the socialists subsidized price, the better gas mileage I get more than pays for the higher cost of the REAL gas.

Don't understand how using more gas to go the same distance leads to cleaner air. The ethanol solution is a joke, all the way around, even environmentally. The tree huggers need to take a look at what the increased demand for corn does to increase rain forest decimation. SOMEBODY ought to be ashamed!

Yeah, I pretty much agree, I bought into the idea at first, years ago, but now that ethanol fuel is a reality with all the problem we have with it, and all the other unintended consequences, I am thinking it is time for it to go. If there was a vote today, by the people, stay or go.. I would vote go.

James K0UA