Mowing in reverse with SCUT and MMM

[Avenger]

While safety features can help with safety they're no substitute for teaching/communicating, thinking, and personal responsibility.

Exactly. People will tend to rely on safety features, and when they fail, they get hurt.

 

[hube2]

So this is begging the questions: at what point/size does this not become a required feature? Is it only sub-compacts? only those models frequently sold/marketed with a mid-mount mower? ...and is it only tied to having an implement/load on a mid-PTO? (would seem to become a real nuisance when using a 3pt snowblower)

Just curiosity on my part

I don't think it has to do with size of tractor, the JD you mention is about the same hp/size as mine and some the tractors owned by others that say they don't have this feature.

I've actually been trying to find something because I was curious and I came up with this Safety Standards for Riding Mowers and Small Tractors

I think it has to do with brands and who's more likely to be sued, or more maybe who has been sued because someone backed over someone's foot or worse with the mower running.

 

[dodge man]

To clarify, with mine I just have to press the pto button when I start to back up, I don’t have to hold it down. You do have to do it every time you start to backup though.

Its probably been over 30 years ago a guy I knew through work backed over his son mowing and he lost most or all of his foot. It’s been years since I saw his kid, he is probably over 30 now but he was doing well. I think he had just chased his son inside right before it happened to but the kid snuck back out, I never heard the entire story. Would a safety button have prevented it? I don’t see how but maybe.

 

[Rdrcr]

To clarify, with mine I just have to press the pto button when I start to back up, I don’t have to hold it down. You do have to do it every time you start to backup though.

Its probably been over 30 years ago a guy I knew through work backed over his son mowing and he lost most or all of his foot. It’s been years since I saw his kid, he is probably over 30 now but he was doing well. I think he had just chased his son inside right before it happened to but the kid snuck back out, I never heard the entire story. Would a safety button have prevented it? I don’t see how but maybe.

Honestly, mowing can be pretty dangerous for both the operator and anyone else around the machine while operating. I remember reading a story of a woman that was struck in the neck with an object (stone/stick) while her husband was mowing. She almost lost her life. I always make sure everyone is indoors while I'm mowing, not just to have someone clear of the machine but, to also be clear of any flying debris.

Mike

 

[cperky]

I took a look at a Nh work master 25s today, no button to push for pto in reverse. I called kubota dealer to ask about the bx in case it was on new models. No button on bx either. It has thrown me for a loop as I had all but decided to purchase the JD 1025r. I may be overthinking it but this has me questioning which tractor I want to purchase. I appreciate all the input !

 

[dodge man]

It’s pretty easy to bypass, on another forum I have seen how to do it. When the rear pto is selected you don’t have to hold the button down to back up. You wire it so it thinks the rear pto is going instead of the mid pto. Get the tractor you want, I wouldn’t let something like this be a deal breaker.

 

[jjp8182]

Honestly, mowing can be pretty dangerous for both the operator and anyone else around the machine while operating. I remember reading a story of a woman that was struck in the neck with an object (stone/stick) while her husband was mowing. She almost lost her life. I always make sure everyone is indoors while I'm mowing, not just to have someone clear of the machine but, to also be clear of any flying debris.

Mike

This gets into some of the reasons I enjoy mowing with a 3pt finish-mower on my L3560; while I don't entirely count on the rear-discharge deflector throwing everything down - or it fully dissipating the energy when an object hits the ground (it doesn't) the downward trajectory seems to reduce the flight time and distance compared to the side discharge decks I've used on smaller mowers.

Having the mower further away from my ears helps reduce the volume of noise I need to protect against, and the distance & height difference seems to also help keep more dust out of my lungs when mowing leaves, or in dusty conditions (especially when mowing backwards). Not sure how it is in other areas, but when it's been dry here enough fine dust can be kicked up from mowing that it about looks like the dust clouds that may develop when doing fieldwork .....and the finer dust it can have quite the hang time. If/when it's that bad, I've gotten to the point where I'll generally either wear a respirator or wait to mow until the conditions have improved a bit (e.g. even having dew on the grass can make the difference)

It’s pretty easy to bypass, on another forum I have seen how to do it. When the rear pto is selected you don’t have to hold the button down to back up. You wire it so it thinks the rear pto is going instead of the mid pto. Get the tractor you want, I wouldn’t let something like this be a deal breaker.

Interesting that it's tied to the mid-PTO only - though it makes sense if the machine is being sold with a mid-mount mower.

 

[MoKelly]

Honestly, mowing can be pretty dangerous for both the operator and anyone else around the machine while operating. I remember reading a story of a woman that was struck in the neck with an object (stone/stick) while her husband was mowing. She almost lost her life. I always make sure everyone is indoors while I'm mowing, not just to have someone clear of the machine but, to also be clear of any flying debris.

Mike

Yes!

A few years ago I was driving down a two lane rural road. There was a county mower on the other side mowing the grass. As I drove by I hear a loud “bang”.

When I got to my house I saw a penny size dent in my door. The mower shot something (likely a rock) into my door. I can’t imagine how much damage that would have done to a human body.

Be careful all.

MoKelly

 

[ruffdog]

On my x744 garden tractor, the reverse implement option (RIO) button pad gets pulled up as you start to back up otherwise the deck stops. I don't have kids but have small dogs so I do have to watch what is behind me. That is why I disabled the RIO. If I am fumbling around and reaching down to pull the RIO, I'm not turned and looking behind me. Now we love it for mowing the yard.

 

[hube2]

Just like all the other controls on my tractor, when I had this pita feature, I never needed to look at it to use it. I am a firm believer in being aware of my surroundings and looking in the direction that I'm traveling. I would like to have mirrors so I can see behind me when moving forward, but I cant find anywhere to mount them.

 

[Dmacleo]

2020 GC1723 TLB I use doesn't have MMM but I know I can back up with the bush hog running....

 

[ed1978]

tape it down.

 

[John Atkisson]

While at the JD dealer yesterday I was told that the mid mount mower pto would stop if I go in reverse (1025R) . There is a button to override this. I was also told it was required to have this function by law and that all SCUT would stop the pto. It was stated as a safety feature.

Questions:
1 Does kubota mmm pto stop if you go in reverse (bx2680)?
2. Does this become a nuisance while mowing, do you have to push the button every time you back up then start forward?
3. after backing up ( to turn around etc) do you have to throttle down to re-engage pto before going forward?

My Kubota BX with mid-mount mower doesn't stop when I go in to reverse - it's a 2015 model. Good thing, too, cause that would be a pain in the keester!

 

[gejandsons]

Get a zero turn

 

[dodge man]

You don’t want to tape it down because then it would be hard to turn off. My father in law has one you pull up on instead of the rocker switch, he says he tags the tag from the key ring and slips it under to hold it up.

 

[Gord Baker]

It is a simple matter to bypass the PTO switch and Seat switch. Pull the switch out of the seat and tape down the plunger on JD's. Remove pto Reverse switch and connect the wires together or keep them apart. Its one or the other.

 

[dodge man]

I’m not sure the safety device on the JD is related to the seat. I think it’s more related to the fact if the mid pto is selected and the pto is on and you try to backup, the pto switch has to be hit again.

One problem with the system is it forces a habit. I’ve been backing up and hit the switch and I wasn’t even mowing, I was doing FEL work.

 

[rfkulka]

I’m not sure the safety device on the JD is related to the seat. I think it’s more related to the fact if the mid pto is selected and the pto is on and you try to backup, the pto switch has to be hit again.

One problem with the system is it forces a habit. I’ve been backing up and hit the switch and I wasn’t even mowing, I was doing FEL work.

 

[rfkulka]

I have a Kubota B7800 with 72" mmm & John Deere 650 with 60" mmm. Both operate in reverse.

 

[quarencia]

It’s pretty easy to bypass, on another forum I have seen how to do it. When the rear pto is selected you don’t have to hold the button down to back up. You wire it so it thinks the rear pto is going instead of the mid pto. Get the tractor you want, I wouldn’t let something like this be a deal breaker.

I have many obstacles in the yard that I have to mow between and back up from. This would be a deal breaker for me. Will never own something with this feature again. I disabled it on a Cub Cadet lawn tractor I had 16 years ago, but I inherited that when it was already 10 years old. I sure as hell don’t want to modify a new tractor and potentially void warranty just to make it do the job I purchased it for.