Neighbor removed my property line pin

[sixdogs]

You know, you could also ask if he knew what happened to the pin or if the people he hired to do the work might have inadvertantly moved it. Not exactly the passive roll you would like to seek but you are pretty upset by the fact the pin was moved and that you must also pay for the replacement. Could also ask for the $$ for the pin replacement if he admits moving it but then the relationship will or might change. An old quote that has served me well over the years, but took a long time to learn, was "To forgive easily invites offense".

When I was working, I could be either a nice guy or not a nice guy with a bunch of highly aggressive prima donna personalities that I was involved with. When I was ruthless, direct and non-yielding with no excuses and take no prisoners, life was a dream. When I later evolved to be a nicer guy and more understanding, issues and exceptions along with whining and challenges were frequent. I'm just tossing the above out for consideration because the issue bothers you so much.

I don't think direct confrontation is fully the right way to go but maybe an indirect approach will allow you to get the satisfaction I think you are looking for. Just food for thought here.

 

[TCBoomer]

sixdogs

I hope I didn't come across as crass or indignant as that's not my intention. Admittedly I was annoyed when I first noticed it missing but now that time has passed, its not really as bad as it seems. Mainly just the principle behind it and more importantly his lack of respect for my property. The hedge now defines the property line and its exact placement is easily determined with a tape measure. But the pin would eliminate any legal questions about the corner if he ever sells...myself-I'm here for life:thumbsup:

I placed a call to the surveyor today but haven't heard back. Most likely I'll pay to have it replaced and inquire if I can encase it in concrete this time. This neighbor has lost any and all respect I had for him and his property. There was a time when we had a mutual respect for each other and our properties, but this as well as previous actions has put me in a position to look after my own and who gives a hoot about his. I wouldn't be surprised if he backpedaled and played stupid if I questioned what happened to my pin. He's done it before.

btw...I like your tag line!! I can relate!!!

 

[dave1949]

I would suggest re-establishing where the property corners are located .... and then place some decorative fencing just on the corners.

I like this idea.

 

[TCBoomer]

To all

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions offered. I was surprised with the amount of interest in the topic. I'm not really sure if I should air this neighbors 'dirty laundry' that led to me blocking him out completely. But he deserved it 100% and I have no regrets whatsoever. It's my property and I'm free to do as I see fit within the local laws just as he is and what he did with his. If there's any interest in the backstory...I'm sure it will generate more comments...I'll put it out here. Might not be til weekend, but I've got nothing to gain or lose by doing so.

Thanks again for all the input!

 

[Robert_in_NY]

To all

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions offered. I was surprised with the amount of interest in the topic. I'm not really sure if I should air this neighbors 'dirty laundry' that led to me blocking him out completely. But he deserved it 100% and I have no regrets whatsoever. It's my property and I'm free to do as I see fit within the local laws just as he is and what he did with his. If there's any interest in the backstory...I'm sure it will generate more comments...I'll put it out here. Might not be til weekend, but I've got nothing to gain or lose by doing so.

Thanks again for all the input!

Go ahead, your story may help others

 

[sdkubota]

Your life will be much easier if you find a way to befriend your neighbor and put this behind you. He might be a pretty decent guy that hates to see his utopia made smaller by your building next door. Some day you might have the same feeling.

That said, wars and murders have occurred under similar circumstances. Don't promote either. I had a feud with a neighbor for years after building in the country involving him spraying roundup during a windy day, me reporting him to the country, and him piling freah manure 1 foot deep along my property. Pretty nasty for awhile. Eventually I though this isn't worth the aggravation and we gradually started talking and drinking beer together. Much more pleasurable for both of us.

 

[pclausen]

Great topic and very relevant to an issue I just discovered after playing with my county's online GIS system. I have been clearing out trees to prepare a site for growing Christmas trees. I found the rods that marked the properly line, which just didn't make sense since the neighbor's fence appeared to be way inside my property and has been that way ever since I purchased my place some 12 years ago.

So I looked it up on the GIS view, and sure enough, the metal rods match exactly what the online system shows. I have marked the part of the neighbor's fence (in purple) that is inside my property. Its an area over 3000 sq. ft.

Here's a closeup that includes a scale marker:

I have a good relationship with her (husband died of cancer a few years ago), and I don't really want to tell her to move her fence. In fact, I would prefer to "claim" about 3000 sq. ft. of her land in another location that borders mine. I in fact suggested this to her and she said she would get back to me but never did.

Should I just go ahead and cut down the trees on her property that I would like to make part of my clearing, or is that asking for trouble? She got a 8+ acre lot and she would probably never know that I did it as it is very far from her house and she never ventures outside her little fenced in garden surrounding her house.

Perhaps a better alternative would be to have the properly lines officially changed so that her fence will be on her property and I gain ~3000 sq. ft. elsewhere? I feel it would be fair for her to cover any expense related to doing something like that since she is the one in violation. Would this be something I would contact the county about and they would then get a surveyor involved?

Something like this is what I had in mind. Thin black lines is current property lines. Yellow lines is the proposed change.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Great topic and very relevant to an issue I just discovered after playing with my county's online GIS system. I have been clearing out trees to prepare a site for growing Christmas trees. I found the rods that marked the properly line, which just didn't make sense since the neighbor's fence appeared to be way inside my property and has been that way ever since I purchased my place some 12 years ago.

So I looked it up on the GIS view, and sure enough, the metal rods match exactly what the online system shows. I have marked the part of the neighbor's fence (in purple) that is inside my property. Its an area over 3000 sq. ft.

Here's a closeup that includes a scale marker:

I have a good relationship with her (husband died of cancer a few years ago), and I don't really want to tell her to move her fence. In fact, I would prefer to "claim" about 3000 sq. ft. of her land in another location that borders mine. I in fact suggested this to her and she said she would get back to me but never did.

Should I just go ahead and cut down the trees on her property that I would like to make part of my clearing, or is that asking for trouble? She got a 8+ acre lot and she would probably never know that I did it as it is very far from her house and she never ventures outside her little fenced in garden surrounding her house.

Perhaps a better alternative would be to have the properly lines officially changed so that her fence will be on her property and I gain ~3000 sq. ft. elsewhere? I feel it would be fair for her to cover any expense related to doing something like that since she is the one in violation. Would this be something I would contact the county about and they would then get a surveyor involved?

Something like this is what I had in mind. Thin black lines is current property lines. Yellow lines is the proposed change.

You need to have that line surveyed. Gis maps are not accurate like we want. Before going any further get a new survey.

 

[riptides]

You need to have that line surveyed. Gis maps are not accurate like we want. Before going any further get a new survey.

Yep. And start the survey from all plats and record information at your courthouse.

 

[kiotiken]

You need to have that line surveyed. Gis maps are not accurate like we want. Before going any further get a new survey.

And if the survey does show what you think it will, don't cut her trees down without resolving the issue first. She may be in the wrong with the fence, but you'll be in the wrong for cutting trees and as they say, two wrongs don't make a right. Who knows, maybe one of those trees was planted in her husbands memory and you'd open up a huge can of worms.

I'm not sure I agree that she should pay for it either, it won't be cheap, at least it wouldn't be here. You can tell her to get off your land for free, but if you want the lines redrawn, you'll both benifit and I would think you'd both pay. Just my opinion.