Neighbor's dobermans on my land, protecting "their" property ...??

[dmccarty]

It has been said a few times in this thread but it does bare repeating again.

Go talk to the neighbor. Talk is cheap unless it is too or from a lawyer.

The situation we have at our place could have been prevented if the people in one house had simply talked to other people before doing something on their own that impacted other people's pocket book. A simple note and/or phone call would have stopped a huge waste of money, much angst, and a possible legal action.

Talk. Talk. Talk.

Later,
Dan

 

[Milton Burro]

I got this in an e-mail today, I think it's relevant.

Gods´ Hedge
Author: Sherry Heard

I do not know about todays—´ message, but it seems very much impressed on my heart, so here goes.

It has been on my mind recently that the relationship between man and animal can be a shadow of the relationship between God and man. Specifically I have been thinking of the relationship between man and pet.

If we allow our animals to run loose we can imagine all of the danger in todays—´ society that can befall them. We love them so we confine them, either indoors, or with fences, leashes, etc. They do not understand this confinement as love, but look at how willingly some of them take the confinement. Others fight it constantly. They dig and jump and do anything they can to try and get å��free?

So we are when God confines us. Have you ever been confined by God? I have felt His hedge of protection around me before when I ran headlong into the thorns and hurt myself! Think about a time in your life when you wanted something and could not have it, the more you tried to get it the more it hurt you. Sounds like getting caught in a hedge of thorns, huh?

When God confines us it is not to hurt us. It is to protect us. Think about children. We put up baby gates, put them in playpens, and even put them in car seats. All are restraints, designed to protect them. Do they understand that? Not really. Do they accept it? Some do, while others kick and scream and fight all the way.

The next time you are trying to get something you want and continue to get hurt by the attempt, stop and talk to God about it. Lord, is this something you want me to have? Lord, is this a hedge of protection I keep running into? Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

If you are trying with everything you have to live for Him, I believe He WILL protect you. But if you persist in fighting through the hedge to get at what YOU want at some point He will let you have it and have the consequences that go with it.

Have you ever seen a parent letting their child fall down? So, they can learn how to get back up, and that doing a particular thing may cause them to fall? God does the same thing with us; however He is a loving parent and is waiting right there for us to turn back to Him with arms up stretched like a child to a parent.

For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. - Ecclesiastes 9:4

Never look down on anybody, unless you're helping them up.
"Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point."

That's kinda what I see in a free roaming pooch galloping along where ever he chooses, doing what ever he pleases. I pity it because his owner really doesn't understand how to care for it, leaving it to pay the consequences of what ever may happen. I don't feel it's my responsibility to instruct the world on how to care for their pets, but if I know who's animal it is, I will confront them out of concern for the animal, not because of my rights, before I pull the trigger.

 

[Travelover]

I'm a little dismayed at the posts that act like the OP is over reacting. To me such a neighbor is saying:

I have animals that run loose. These animals have the capacity to kill your pets, your kids and possibly even you. I hope that is OK with you, if not, tough s****.

 

[IslandTractor]

I'm a little dismayed at the posts that act like the OP is over reacting. To me such a neighbor is saying:

I have animals that run loose. These animals have the capacity to kill your pets, your kids and possibly even you. I hope that is OK with you, if not, tough s****.

Did you even read the OP's initial post????? The dogs were clearly fenced in but were able to get out. The owner was on the problem immediately when he saw them get out. We are talking about a few seconds outside their own backyard before the owner got them under control.

 

[jk96]

Did you even read the OP's initial post????? The dogs were clearly fenced in but were able to get out. The owner was on the problem immediately when he saw them get out. We are talking about a few seconds outside their own backyard before the owner got them under control.

Agreed - nothing in the post suggested this was more than a one time event.

 

[Milton Burro]

Agreed - nothing in the post suggested this was more than a one time event.

I think this suggests a reoccurring trespass.

By the OP,

"I also spotted 2 different places where they have obviously been dragging their bellies on the ground to get under the 4-barbed-wire fence onto my land. They must think it's theirs now."

This thread pushes a button of mine. I am still pissed at my neighbor for making me shoot his dog, and he has two new pit bull pups. I have nothing at all against the dogs, but he is allowing these two to roam as well. I'm reasonably sure I will be killing one or both of these. When I do, I will deliver them back to him along with pictures of my donkeys bite marks and warn him if it happens again, I'll take him to court.

Edited to say:
Maybe the better thing to do is take the pictures over this afternoon and threaten court before I shoot the poor animals. Yeah,, that's the better way, for the dogs sake.

 

[Bison]

Here is how i deal with such situation.
I see neighbor dog on my pasture or yard,i phone him and ask him to come get the dog and keep it home,cause if i see it again i'll shoot it on sight.

If the dog is agressive towards me or my animals i shoot it right there first time around.

 

[Travelover]

I think this suggests a reoccurring trespass.

By the OP,

"I also spotted 2 different places where they have obviously been dragging their bellies on the ground to get under the 4-barbed-wire fence onto my land. They must think it's theirs now."

..........

Exactly right. And the fact that the dogs felt that they had a right to defend the property is a pretty good indication that they regularly patrolled it.

My neighbor lets his dogs run loose and they kept expanding their range until they decided that the road in front of his house was also their territory and started challenging pedestrians. I called him on it, but if he hadn't reined in the dogs, I wasn't about to surrender my right to walk down my road to a dog.

 

[EE_Bota]

I would check your county ordinance and see what the regulation really states. If you had to shoot the dog and they cited you, oh well, go to court. Better to be given a piece of paper than chewed on by that dog. My guess is that the ordinance would be a fine and nothing more.

As you saw the officer was not interested in following the ordinance. So there are exceptions. :laughing:

The story was very funny, :thumbsup:, but also very scary.

Later,
Dan

Thanks Dan. I know I come across as a patsy, or someone easy to walk over, but I want people to understand....these people are not moving, and I am not moving, so instead of doing what I want to do, I have to stick to things that are not irreversible.

Sure, the hedge trimmer thing would not have been reversible, if completed, but still....that dog was my master on the first encounter, until I pulled the pistol, and then the deputy was my master, until he feared for his life, and all that builds up after a while.

I am sure what she saw was a cross between a horror film, and "A Christmas Story" where Ralphie is shocking all the other kids by saying the most horrible things imaginable. Heck, I could have even been growling for all I know.

I think that sort of thing is in my family somehow. I am reminded of one of my brothers. It was dark, and on a dairy farm, and he was out there to check for signs of heat. A cow jumped the fence, and landed right in front of him, face to face on a dark night as if it fell from the sky. It startled my brother so badly, that he bit the cow HARD on the ear, and that scared the cow so bad, it jumped back over the fence and ran for its life.

 

[dmccarty]

Thanks Dan. I know I come across as a patsy, or someone easy to walk over, but I want people to understand....these people are not moving, and I am not moving, so instead of doing what I want to do, I have to stick to things that are not irreversible.

Not a patsy just cautious. We are in a similar situation where nobody is likely to move. Once one steps across the Rubicon with the neighbors it can get ugly. Remember MDBarb!

Sure, the hedge trimmer thing would not have been reversible, if completed, but still....that dog was my master on the first encounter, until I pulled the pistol, and then the deputy was my master, until he feared for his life, and all that builds up after a while.

The mental image of you with the trimmer, the dog and the jogger was very funny! Not for you, I am sure, but it was for us to read. :thumbsup:

The angst builds up in these situation and that angst has to be managed so that emotions do not get out of control. These conflicts are rightly emotional. Controlling the emotion is hard. Very hard.

I am sure what she saw was a cross between a horror film, and "A Christmas Story" where Ralphie is shocking all the other kids by saying the most horrible things imaginable. Heck, I could have even been growling for all I know.

Growling is ok. If you are growling AND drooling, THAT is a problem.

I think that sort of thing is in my family somehow. I am reminded of one of my brothers. It was dark, and on a dairy farm, and he was out there to check for signs of heat. A cow jumped the fence, and landed right in front of him, face to face on a dark night as if it fell from the sky. It startled my brother so badly, that he bit the cow HARD on the ear, and that scared the cow so bad, it jumped back over the fence and ran for its life.

I do not recommend biting the ear of a bad dog. :laughing: The bad dog has bigger and badder teeth.

It is always easy to Monday Morning Quarterback and say if that had been me I would have done .... It is a completely different story when one HAS to make the decision and DO IT. Especially when the IT is crossing a Rubicon with the neighbors. Or worse, the Law.

Later,
Dan