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Neighbor's dobermans on my land, protecting "their" property ...??
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Still seems to me that lots of you are pretty darn trigger happy and that you shoot first and ask questions later. Dogs get out, dogs roam, dig up gardens and can be pests but dogs are also valued pets. To shoot one just because you have the right to, when your life and limb are not in danger, seems cruel, unneighborly and down right stupid.
If anyone ever took an unwarranted shot (life or limb issue excepted) at a family pet of mine that "neighbor" would lose virtually all good will. If I saw smoke coming from his house I'd go get the marshmellows, chocolate and graham crackers rather than lift a finger to help.
If anyone ever took an unwarranted shot (life or limb issue excepted) at a family pet of mine that "neighbor" would lose virtually all good will. If I saw smoke coming from his house I'd go get the marshmellows, chocolate and graham crackers rather than lift a finger to help.
bdeboer
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I disagree with giving treats to the dogs when they are not on their own property. That will just encourage the behavior or get them hit in the road.
Try to contact the owner, if they do not respond call Animal Control. Take a camera along with the "9 as a last resort" to document the dogs on your property.
Try to contact the owner, if they do not respond call Animal Control. Take a camera along with the "9 as a last resort" to document the dogs on your property.
dmccarty
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Since you have not met the neighbor I would talk to him at some point. The dogs would not even be a subject I would bring up. He might. But I would not mention the dogs in the first meeting.
What to do next would depend on the feeling you got from the conversation about the owner.
You do not want a neighbor has an enemy. But sometimes it happens. I have some stories to tell but they are on going and might lead to court, so I will not tell my story. Yet.
I have young kids. Dogs, or worse, more than two dogs, I do not know, are a threat to my kids. Period. I have only had unknown dogs on our place a couple of times. They have always done the right thing, which was to leave. Quickly.
I was talking to an old Chicken farmer years ago. He was in his 80s at the time. He said farmers in the county would have to get together every few years and shoot stray dogs. The stray dogs would breed into large feral populations and start taking down livestock so the farmers would have to take out the wild dogs.
Our neighborhood had some problem dog owners. Many calls to the Sheriff and animal control. At one point the dog owner had three dogs but I only see one now. Not sure what happened to the other two. One of them used to chase cars. I used to swerve out of the way of the dog but after months of that nonsense I just drove like I was supposed too. The owners knew what the dog was doing and, if the dog miscalculated....
Those dogs came out on the street one day when I was walking with our oldest child and my dog. Thankfully I know how to read dogs and react to them. As it was the dogs almost got shot. They were a bit too aggressive and they were in the street. If my kid had been alone and ran, she easily could have been killed. I know elderly ladies going for walks were menaced by those dogs which might be why I no longer see two of them. I know the law enforcement told the ladies to shoot the dogs if they had too.
One thing that amazes me about dogs is that they can be shot multiple times and still survive. If you pay attention to the news this happens fairly frequently. A few years ago a deputy in my county responded to an alarm call. Long story short, she was attacked by 3-4 Pit Bulls that almost killed her. Officers responding to her shot 2-3 of the dogs, multiple times, but at most, only one dog died. I never heard the result of the lawsuit.
I certainly would check the laws in your state regarding dogs.
If you choose to carry Pepper Spray be aware there are different types of sprays. Some Pepper is mixed with water and others with alcohol. You want a mix using alcohol. Pepper Spray is an oil. Oil and water does not like to mix, so to use a can of Pepper that uses water as a carrier, you need to shake said can. Will you remember or have time to shake the can?
The other thing to look at is the spray pattern of the pepper. Some sprays are almost a fog while others are a stream. Both have their good points and bad points. A fog is good for a close encounter and is almost certainly going to hit the target. But it is also likely to get you as well. Especially if the wind is towards you. And do you really want to have to wait for something dangerous to get close?
The stream spray shoots much farther which is good or bad. Farther keeps the threat further from you which is good but it is that much harder to hit. Wind makes things that much more interesting.
If you are afraid for your life should you be using Pepper Spray?
Which ever spray type you have, you need to try before use in a real situation. Just note the direction of the wind and spray accordingly. Unless you want to clear you Sinus. :laughing::laughing::laughing:
Later,
Dan
What to do next would depend on the feeling you got from the conversation about the owner.
You do not want a neighbor has an enemy. But sometimes it happens. I have some stories to tell but they are on going and might lead to court, so I will not tell my story. Yet.
I have young kids. Dogs, or worse, more than two dogs, I do not know, are a threat to my kids. Period. I have only had unknown dogs on our place a couple of times. They have always done the right thing, which was to leave. Quickly.
I was talking to an old Chicken farmer years ago. He was in his 80s at the time. He said farmers in the county would have to get together every few years and shoot stray dogs. The stray dogs would breed into large feral populations and start taking down livestock so the farmers would have to take out the wild dogs.
Our neighborhood had some problem dog owners. Many calls to the Sheriff and animal control. At one point the dog owner had three dogs but I only see one now. Not sure what happened to the other two. One of them used to chase cars. I used to swerve out of the way of the dog but after months of that nonsense I just drove like I was supposed too. The owners knew what the dog was doing and, if the dog miscalculated....
Those dogs came out on the street one day when I was walking with our oldest child and my dog. Thankfully I know how to read dogs and react to them. As it was the dogs almost got shot. They were a bit too aggressive and they were in the street. If my kid had been alone and ran, she easily could have been killed.
I know elderly ladies going for walks were menaced by those dogs which might be why I no longer see two of them. I know the law enforcement told the ladies to shoot the dogs if they had too. One thing that amazes me about dogs is that they can be shot multiple times and still survive. If you pay attention to the news this happens fairly frequently. A few years ago a deputy in my county responded to an alarm call. Long story short, she was attacked by 3-4 Pit Bulls that almost killed her. Officers responding to her shot 2-3 of the dogs, multiple times, but at most, only one dog died. I never heard the result of the lawsuit.
I certainly would check the laws in your state regarding dogs.
If you choose to carry Pepper Spray be aware there are different types of sprays. Some Pepper is mixed with water and others with alcohol. You want a mix using alcohol. Pepper Spray is an oil. Oil and water does not like to mix, so to use a can of Pepper that uses water as a carrier, you need to shake said can. Will you remember or have time to shake the can?
The other thing to look at is the spray pattern of the pepper. Some sprays are almost a fog while others are a stream. Both have their good points and bad points. A fog is good for a close encounter and is almost certainly going to hit the target. But it is also likely to get you as well. Especially if the wind is towards you. And do you really want to have to wait for something dangerous to get close?
The stream spray shoots much farther which is good or bad. Farther keeps the threat further from you which is good but it is that much harder to hit. Wind makes things that much more interesting.
If you are afraid for your life should you be using Pepper Spray?
Which ever spray type you have, you need to try before use in a real situation. Just note the direction of the wind and spray accordingly.
Unless you want to clear you Sinus. :laughing::laughing::laughing:Later,
Dan
EddieWalker
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I agree with those that suggest going over to his house and telling him of your concerns. Nobody wants to be attacked by a dog, or even scared by them. Having it happen on your own land just makes it that much worse.
Until you have that first face to face, nothing else should be on the table. Go there with the expectations that he's expecting a confrontation and he will be on the defensive. It's just the way the world is today. If you go with a smile on your face and a friendly approach, the odds that he will see things from your perspective will be much better. He has concerns too, and might not understand your position. Assuming otherwise just puts him on the defensive and that much harder to get the result that you want.
Document the meeting and what was said. It might be important if things go bad.
Since it sounds like you only go there a few times a year, it might not be such a bad thing if the dog run around on the land from time to time. Maybe if you had the guys phone number, it wouldn't be too hard to give him a call and ask him to lock up his dogs on the day you plan on being out there.
If not, there is always the option of going to war with him, but sometimes, it's a lot easier to make peace and keep things friendly.
Eddie
Until you have that first face to face, nothing else should be on the table. Go there with the expectations that he's expecting a confrontation and he will be on the defensive. It's just the way the world is today. If you go with a smile on your face and a friendly approach, the odds that he will see things from your perspective will be much better. He has concerns too, and might not understand your position. Assuming otherwise just puts him on the defensive and that much harder to get the result that you want.
Document the meeting and what was said. It might be important if things go bad.
Since it sounds like you only go there a few times a year, it might not be such a bad thing if the dog run around on the land from time to time. Maybe if you had the guys phone number, it wouldn't be too hard to give him a call and ask him to lock up his dogs on the day you plan on being out there.
If not, there is always the option of going to war with him, but sometimes, it's a lot easier to make peace and keep things friendly.
Eddie
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beppington
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Although I will try to talk to him first ... Just occurred to me:
I might take my pistol & do some target practice shooting on my property. Set up in a place where the dog owner can hear it but not actually see me. There are plenty of tall weeds where I can set up this way. And, rather than controlled, thoughtful, rhythmic shooting, shoot randomly & some high-speed pow-pow-pow-pow-pow bursts ... all just to give them that, "Hmm, my dogs could end up dead over there" thought.
I might take my pistol & do some target practice shooting on my property. Set up in a place where the dog owner can hear it but not actually see me. There are plenty of tall weeds where I can set up this way. And, rather than controlled, thoughtful, rhythmic shooting, shoot randomly & some high-speed pow-pow-pow-pow-pow bursts ... all just to give them that, "Hmm, my dogs could end up dead over there" thought.
EddieWalker
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Sounds like wishful thinking. It might work, but it might not. Just hoping for a result rarely works, and with so many variables out there, you could just as easily make things worse before they get better.
It's your land and you have every right to do what you want on it, but it kind of sounds like you are going to go shooting there with the intent of sending a message. It sounds more like the beginnings of going to war with him. Once you start that, it now becomes one more thing to overcome if you ever want to make peace with him.
Good luck,
Eddie
It's your land and you have every right to do what you want on it, but it kind of sounds like you are going to go shooting there with the intent of sending a message. It sounds more like the beginnings of going to war with him. Once you start that, it now becomes one more thing to overcome if you ever want to make peace with him.
Good luck,
Eddie
dmccarty
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Exactly.
Speak to the owner first. Go from there. Do not start a war unless you have no choice.
We have a situation at my place that I have tried to avoid for years but the other side just did something and it will be interesting to see how things end. Ending would be in court. We and the other neighbors would rather not be in this situation but it is what it is. Hopefully it will blow over legally but the bad feelings will NEVER go away.
Remember MDBarb....
Later,
Dan
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Beppington,
Talking first before shooting / target practice would be best. But I beleive you knew from the first encounter this fellow may be a challenge, not waving back etc, so if you start shooting in the vicinity, while its your right, may be taking this in another (not good) direction.
The other statement I beleive is "when you meet the dog, its attitude is a reflection of the owner" and I have to say in most cases this is true.
Talking first before shooting / target practice would be best. But I beleive you knew from the first encounter this fellow may be a challenge, not waving back etc, so if you start shooting in the vicinity, while its your right, may be taking this in another (not good) direction.
The other statement I beleive is "when you meet the dog, its attitude is a reflection of the owner" and I have to say in most cases this is true.
fenix
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Agree with Tim. My wife and i love our dogs but big dogs are dangerous
in a pack. I had a similar problem a couple years back with the neighbors
dogs running our horses in the back pasture.
I went to his house and told him it had to stop. He put in an underground
fence and that was the end of the problem.
Would not trust a strange dog around a child for a second.
That is all the time it takes.
in a pack. I had a similar problem a couple years back with the neighbors
dogs running our horses in the back pasture.
I went to his house and told him it had to stop. He put in an underground
fence and that was the end of the problem.
Would not trust a strange dog around a child for a second.
That is all the time it takes.
