New 2017 Super Duty

[The Fred]

I could care less about cosmetics. Needs to have a very dependable diesel powertrain. Needs to have a dependable and low maintenance suspension, steering, brake assembly. Good seat. Good visibility. "Drive itself" down the road loaded/unloaded. Pretty big list to live up to presented by it's predecessors.

Richard EVERY brand running urea has issues. Reliability is not included in this package. Most urea problems allow the ECM to limit engine starts until it's repaired and not cheap. Usually after the 10th start your behind the tow truck.

7.3 was a great engine (I didn't like the 4 speed auto though) and is lone gone buddy. If I could get a 7.3 with a 6 speed stick or auto I'd be happy.

My 07 Duramax has 9,000 miles and no urea I'll guess I'm keeping it.

Fred

 

[fordmantpw]

I sure wouldn't recommend it. Right around 100k is when the two 6.4s we had started having issue after issue. I know a lot of others that had the same experience. We had several 6.0 fords with issues prior to that. Couldn't give me a ford diesel that wasn't a 7.3 right now. YMMV.

Honestly, with the 6.7L out, I likely wouldn't buy a 6.4L either. Unless you plan to delete the DPF and EGR. Doing that, the 6.4L is dead-nuts reliable. I haven't done it, though I sure would like to.

 

[dodge man]

I had a co-worker whose husband bought a used 6.4 diesel, it was a major problem, I have a seperate post on it.

I'm hoping for Fords sake the 6.7 is better, it seems to be. I'm also curious how well the alum. holds up in the salt belt. I've fought rust on my 2004 Dodge. It would be nice to get a vehicle that you didn't have to worry about rusting.

 

[farm boy00]

Honestly, with the 6.7L out, I likely wouldn't buy a 6.4L either. Unless you plan to delete the DPF and EGR. Doing that, the 6.4L is dead-nuts reliable. I haven't done it, though I sure would like to.

With the 6.0 they are just as good if you bullet proof them and do the head gasket and bolt upgrade

 

[Degolyerent]

With the 6.0 they are just as good if you bullet proof them and do the head gasket and bolt upgrade

They are even better if you add a 12v Cummins

 

[farm boy00]

They are even better if you add a 12v Cummins

If you can afford that

 

[TomSeller]

Too many electronic gizmos (face it...that truck has more electronics than the entire NASA mission control did when we landed on the Moon!)..

Good point. So does my iPhone.

 

[GLyford]

I'm also curious how well the alum. holds up in the salt belt. I've fought rust on my 2004 Dodge. It would be nice to get a vehicle that you didn't have to worry about rusting.

If you're not chasing it in the body, you're chasing it in the frame...long term, I suspect you won't see a big difference. You'll just be able to resell the body when the frame dies.

 

[fordmantpw]

Too many electronic gizmos (face it...that truck has more electronics than the entire NASA mission control did when we landed on the Moon!).

You don't HAVE to have all of the electronic gizmos. They are optional, you know.

 

[fordmantpw]

If you're not chasing it in the body, you're chasing it in the frame...long term, I suspect you won't see a big difference. You'll just be able to resell the body when the frame dies.

Really, how often do we see rusted out frames on trucks from the big 3, especially heavy duty trucks? It's really not a common issue, however body panel rust is, on all makes.