New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine.

[LightningCamaroGuy]

Which has nothing to do with it. Thats your opinion. I just got out of Fords because they didnt hold up to real truck usage over the last 20 years. Ram has been much better.


Ram Hasn’t been FIAT since 2020.

Performance won’t suffer when a diesel puts out 2X as much torque. Performance (depends on your definition of performance) is in the eyes of the beholder. My idea of performance is towing, engine longevity and fuel economy.

You've never jumped a tractor off with a gas truck?

You can tell that to my 03 Lightning which has towed plenty of Mustangs and Camaros, and hauled dirt bikes, etc. I've seen multiple Modular F150's with over 300K, even your 3V's that have been maintained correctly will do it no problem. You may have to replace the timing components in the 3V, but what's 300K+ miles worth to you? My parents 18 F350 6.7L DRW has been holding up better than that busted up dash 01 Ram 3500 24V Cummins, 6 speed truck they had before it. Really that Ram was a good truck overall, but was the build quality better than Fords? No. The drivetrain was good, but the chassis, interior quality, steering components, etc, no I'd give it to Ford. Everyone can romanticize about a manual in a 1 ton truck, but driving it sucked compared to a modern automatic.

What are you talking about? Ram is part of Stellantis. Stellantis is a merger between Fiat Chrysler Automotives (FCA) and French owned PSA Group. Chrysler gets whored out to everyone under the sun. Daimler-Benz, Fiat, it seems like more.

What are you talking about? Performance will absolutely suffer in an O/R focused vehicle when you add close to a thousand pounds to the front end. Torque is overrated in many situations, with the exception of towing, and especially in this era with transmissions that can use aggressive gearing to multiply torque. Same reason people want 24-30+ gears in their tractors.

You don't have to buy the Power Wagon. I was just pointing out that it was a good deal, on a truck that's desirable to a lot of people, and is considered one of the best O/R trucks on the market.

I get it, people like their torque heavy diesels that ride a huge torque curve. In my street vehicles that aren't tow focused I prefer a strong gas V8 that will spin out, and pull hard on the big end.

 

[Muhammad]

Let's pull the dogs back a bit in this thread okay @Hay Dude and @LightningCamaroGuy

 

[mrmikey]

We don't want to lose this thread, it's been a good, clean, disagreement/agreement thread for 35 pages so far .

 

[Hay Dude]

Let's pull the dogs back a bit in this thread okay @Hay Dude and @LightningCamaroGuy

Definitely.
Have fun guys.

 

[LightningCamaroGuy]

Sorry for my part in derailing the thread.

If you're a Ram fan, and don't mind not having a V8 then the new Hurricane I6 is a nice, refined, strong unit. IMHO compared to the other boosted 6's I think it's competitive. They're all smooth, refined, torquey engines, and one didn't stand out as better than the other to me, and they all felt like they did the same thing whether V6 or I6. The Hurricanes lack of a dipstick, to physically check your oil, is my biggest beef with it compared to its competitors turbo 6's.

 

[orezok]

A modern aircraft can have as many as 25,000 sensors. So you weenies who are afraid of sensors don’t fly?

 

[DarkBlack]

A modern aircraft can have as many as 25,000 sensors. So you weenies who are afraid of sensors don’t fly?

Nice strawman

 

[orezok]

Weenies appear

 

[tacticalturnip]

The rental Wagoneer we had over Thanksgiving had a lot of ups and downs, but that drivetrain was awesome on the highway.

I don't know how it will hold up long-term, and I still love my V8's, but I'll admit that that Wagoneer could move. It genuinely felt quick, but it's response to any input is extremely electronic. It took a little bit to get used to, all responses felt instant.

I miss that 8 speed transmission; I had an 8 speed ZF in my RAM, I really wish the F350 had one.