New BX2230 owner q's?
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GntlmnFarmer
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Re: New BX2230 owner q\'s?
I probably won't have the BH on when mowing or snow blowing, so I'm not too worried about having the tires filled.
So jewelery and praises is the ticket, eh? Cause I was just thinking I get two hats from the dealer and just giver her one. That won't work? I mean who wouldn't want a Kubota hat more than a nice set of earrings????
I probably won't have the BH on when mowing or snow blowing, so I'm not too worried about having the tires filled.
So jewelery and praises is the ticket, eh? Cause I was just thinking I get two hats from the dealer and just giver her one. That won't work? I mean who wouldn't want a Kubota hat more than a nice set of earrings????
Junkman
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So jewelery and praises is the ticket, eh? Cause I was just thinking I get two hats from the dealer and just giver her one. That won't work? I mean who wouldn't want a Kubota hat more than a nice set of earrings???? )</font>
Your thinking is more like a Country Gentleman than a City Slicker that knows how to get what he wants the first time around. Give her the jewelry!!!!! With the hat you will get a thank you and a hand shake.... with the jewelry, there is no telling what you might get.... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Maybe an attachment or something similar in exchange. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">(
So jewelery and praises is the ticket, eh? Cause I was just thinking I get two hats from the dealer and just giver her one. That won't work? I mean who wouldn't want a Kubota hat more than a nice set of earrings???? )</font>
Your thinking is more like a Country Gentleman than a City Slicker that knows how to get what he wants the first time around. Give her the jewelry!!!!! With the hat you will get a thank you and a hand shake.... with the jewelry, there is no telling what you might get.... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Maybe an attachment or something similar in exchange. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Kelvin
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Re: New BX2230 owner q\'s?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( FWIW, my Bx22 manual only says that "The amount of rear ballast should be matched to job and the ballast should be removed when it is not needed." )</font>
My main concern is that if there are any future issues that can in any way be blamed on the liquid ballast in the rear tires then I'd say there is a pretty good chance that Kubota could easily deny the warranty claim. Of course, after the warranty is out then it will not make a difference to the warranty.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( IMHO, I always need it and thus I will never remove it! )</font>
Have you ever tried working without the liquid ballast to confirm that you actually need the ballast? As stated in a previous post, I was really impressed with the traction that my non-loaded TURF tires gave me the one and only time I have used the BX23 FEL to do some work. From past experience, I'm pretty sure that my bigger (heavier) tractors** would have spun at least a little doing the same job.
** B2910 with non-loaded R-4s
** B2150 with non-loaded Ag tires (which are now loaded, but I haven't done any FEL work since adding fluid).
Kelvin
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( FWIW, my Bx22 manual only says that "The amount of rear ballast should be matched to job and the ballast should be removed when it is not needed." )</font>
My main concern is that if there are any future issues that can in any way be blamed on the liquid ballast in the rear tires then I'd say there is a pretty good chance that Kubota could easily deny the warranty claim. Of course, after the warranty is out then it will not make a difference to the warranty.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( IMHO, I always need it and thus I will never remove it! )</font>
Have you ever tried working without the liquid ballast to confirm that you actually need the ballast? As stated in a previous post, I was really impressed with the traction that my non-loaded TURF tires gave me the one and only time I have used the BX23 FEL to do some work. From past experience, I'm pretty sure that my bigger (heavier) tractors** would have spun at least a little doing the same job.
** B2910 with non-loaded R-4s
** B2150 with non-loaded Ag tires (which are now loaded, but I haven't done any FEL work since adding fluid).
Kelvin
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Re: New BX2230 owner q\'s?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Just because it is in print, that doesn't cast it in stone. If it did, then check the page of the manual where they give the amount of oil to replace in the engine for a oil change. Would you follow these instructions????? )</font>
How does a person decide which owner's manual guidance to follow and which to ignore? To me the oil quantity issue can be resolved using common sense (check oil level on dipstick and compare against published quantity that was added back in after the oil change) but I have no "common sense" way of resolving the rear wheel ballast issue.
I can see where it would be relatively easy to make a typographical error when adding a number in chart (blame the "error-checkers" for not catching the error) but I have a hard time labeling the sentence regarding ballast as a mistaken entry. If it is not a mistaken entry then the engineers must have put that restriction there for some reason and Kubota's lack of an explanation would not be sufficient reason for me to ignore the guidance.
Here is my "GUESS" as to ONE reason why the guidance (remove rear-wheel guidance when the backhoe is installed) may be there: Loaded rear wheels have more traction than non-loaded tires. If an operator is driving the BX23 in a forward direction up a hill with FEL & backhoe installed (also against the owner's manual - see "Operating on Slopes" in the yellow page section) the tractor will have a tendancy to want to flip over backwards. This flip over tendancy of the tractor would be greater with loaded tires that give extra traction.
Granted, the potential reason for the ballast restriction given in my "GUESS" does not relate to any structural failure issue (prior to flipping over the tractor, anyways /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif), but there may be other structural integrity issues as to why the rear tires should not be loaded with the backhoe installed.
Kelvin
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Just because it is in print, that doesn't cast it in stone. If it did, then check the page of the manual where they give the amount of oil to replace in the engine for a oil change. Would you follow these instructions????? )</font>
How does a person decide which owner's manual guidance to follow and which to ignore? To me the oil quantity issue can be resolved using common sense (check oil level on dipstick and compare against published quantity that was added back in after the oil change) but I have no "common sense" way of resolving the rear wheel ballast issue.
I can see where it would be relatively easy to make a typographical error when adding a number in chart (blame the "error-checkers" for not catching the error) but I have a hard time labeling the sentence regarding ballast as a mistaken entry. If it is not a mistaken entry then the engineers must have put that restriction there for some reason and Kubota's lack of an explanation would not be sufficient reason for me to ignore the guidance.
Here is my "GUESS" as to ONE reason why the guidance (remove rear-wheel guidance when the backhoe is installed) may be there: Loaded rear wheels have more traction than non-loaded tires. If an operator is driving the BX23 in a forward direction up a hill with FEL & backhoe installed (also against the owner's manual - see "Operating on Slopes" in the yellow page section) the tractor will have a tendancy to want to flip over backwards. This flip over tendancy of the tractor would be greater with loaded tires that give extra traction.
Granted, the potential reason for the ballast restriction given in my "GUESS" does not relate to any structural failure issue (prior to flipping over the tractor, anyways /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif), but there may be other structural integrity issues as to why the rear tires should not be loaded with the backhoe installed.
Kelvin
rbarker
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Re: New BX2230 owner q\'s?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I probably won't have the BH on when mowing or snow blowing, so I'm not too worried about having the tires filled.
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Not mowing with the bh attached is a good idea. Same goes for the fel. I don't have a hoe but with the fel on the tractor is much less manuverable and tends to mark up the lawn more when turning. It is an absolute joy to mow with this machine. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif As far as your leave problem, I use my york rake set on just about ground level and pull the bulk of the leaves into big piles which I then haul off with the loader. Takes care of the heavy stuff, then I mow what's left. It takes some time but it only has to be done once in the fall, at least for me.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I probably won't have the BH on when mowing or snow blowing, so I'm not too worried about having the tires filled.
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Not mowing with the bh attached is a good idea. Same goes for the fel. I don't have a hoe but with the fel on the tractor is much less manuverable and tends to mark up the lawn more when turning. It is an absolute joy to mow with this machine. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif As far as your leave problem, I use my york rake set on just about ground level and pull the bulk of the leaves into big piles which I then haul off with the loader. Takes care of the heavy stuff, then I mow what's left. It takes some time but it only has to be done once in the fall, at least for me.
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GntlmnFarmer
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Re: New BX2230 owner q\'s?
Any idea (ball park) what a york rake will cost me? And does Kubota make one?
Jeff
Any idea (ball park) what a york rake will cost me? And does Kubota make one?
Jeff
rbarker
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Re: New BX2230 owner q\'s?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Any idea (ball park) what a york rake will cost me? And does Kubota make one?
Jeff )</font>
I paid about $650 for my Woods LRC60 with guide wheels. I think Kubota makes one but it's probably more. The Woods is part of the "Estate Series" which is specifically designed for tractors of this size. The guide wheels make it more versatile.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Any idea (ball park) what a york rake will cost me? And does Kubota make one?
Jeff )</font>
I paid about $650 for my Woods LRC60 with guide wheels. I think Kubota makes one but it's probably more. The Woods is part of the "Estate Series" which is specifically designed for tractors of this size. The guide wheels make it more versatile.
UncleAl
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Re: New BX2230 owner q\'s?
<font color="blue"> My main concern is that if there are any future issues that can in any way be blamed on the liquid ballast in the rear tires then I'd say there is a pretty good chance that Kubota could easily deny the warranty claim. </font>
My dealer filled the tires for me. He does this for all of his sales. I also bought the turf tires on the side. I didn't ask for them to be filled, but he insisted that it was a good thing to do and did them for free too. As far as denying a warranty claim, I'll take my chances. Why don't you ask your dealer what he thinks about warranty concerns? He's probably seen more issues firsthand than most anyone here.
<font color="blue"> "It is better to be safe a hundred times than to be dead once." Will Rogers </font>
If you're considering using filled tires for safety reasons, I think you've already answered your own questions. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
<font color="blue"> My main concern is that if there are any future issues that can in any way be blamed on the liquid ballast in the rear tires then I'd say there is a pretty good chance that Kubota could easily deny the warranty claim. </font>
My dealer filled the tires for me. He does this for all of his sales. I also bought the turf tires on the side. I didn't ask for them to be filled, but he insisted that it was a good thing to do and did them for free too. As far as denying a warranty claim, I'll take my chances. Why don't you ask your dealer what he thinks about warranty concerns? He's probably seen more issues firsthand than most anyone here.
<font color="blue"> "It is better to be safe a hundred times than to be dead once." Will Rogers </font>
If you're considering using filled tires for safety reasons, I think you've already answered your own questions. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
