New here - Should I care about written specs?

[radrock]

Thanks radrock for the heads up from tractorhouse.

Well, price and capabilities have ruled out the 1026r. I am down to the final two ... TYM 293 IF I can get the dealer down to the 13,000-13,400 range and the Kioti CK20 for $13,250.

Also ruled out the B2320 for the same reasons - lower capabilities and higher price. In addition, local dealers will not pick up and drop off for free like the other dealers will.

The major differences:

29 HP for the TYM vs the 23 for Kioti
Rear remotes standard for TYM vs optional for Kioti
Standard SSQA for TYM vs third party for the Kioti
Bigger tires but less ground clearance for the TYM
Kioti is several hundred pounds heavier.

What are your thoughts between the two?

I haven't ever been around a TYM but it looks like a beefy machine. I don't care about the hood but that doesn't make it run but I have been on a CK20 and didn't really care for it. It looks to me that you would be getting more bang for you buck with the TYM. At least it's red haha

 

[Don87]

Too Funny. :laughing:

I don't think you are shopping for a tractor, but I thought you mentioned being interested in the Max series, had it been offered when you were shopping. Above, you seem to indicate that you haven't seen the various models in person. :shocked:

While being a complete newbie, I have seen these models in person. Some of your perceptions (tire size?) don't match the side by side I saw at the dealer. I don't think the Max 22/25 series tires are smaller than the models u mention above. And the Max28XL has larger tires than the 22/25.

Your comments over the last few months come across as a very strong (dare I say, passionate?) DISLIKE for Mahindra... though I thought you found the Max series one to have considered if it were available when u were shopping.

I've been tracking Mahindra threads since months before I bought one. I have found all the back and forth somewhat humorous... and educational.

There was a thread in the last week, with a post of a flipped BX. Was that because the specs were way off? I sure hope Kubota is ready for all those lawsuits ... :confused2:

Weeks before that, there was a thread about a Large John Deere tractor flipped in a field. John Deere must be humiliated that they spec'd that tractor all wrong, and now they'll be sued too... :ashamed:

Caution is needed with all tractors. Caution is needed with all cars, tools, whatever... and when descending a flight of stairs, hold the banister... keep drinking in moderation... and smoking is bad for you.

All useful tools can be great. All useful tools can be extremely dangerous.

And if you are going to have strong opinions on something, it may not hurt to go see that something in person.

Just sayin' :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::confused3:

I'm starting at the middle, and I'll work mu way through the posts. As I've already stated, I am only referring to the Max 22 and 25. You have the 28, and the only reference I've made to that model is that I've never seen it listed as a 'subcompact'.

 

[Don87]

Don.
I don't see any need to change my posts but I rest my case because I could care less what classification any of the aforementioned tractors fit into. Anyone shopping for a tractor should give them a good looking over and decide if it fits the bill for them.

Thank you....................

Your post fits this thread perfectly, and explains why 'written specs' are important. I just hope that newcomers understand what you and I have posted.

 

[Don87]

well, looked at the MF1526 today. I was told they had the GC2400 also, but that was premature. So a partially wasted trip I really liked the 1526 ... what a beast ... but the price point was really outside what I can do with rent and construction loan. Looking at the FEL specs for the GC2400, the lifting and breakout forces are lower than the others I am looking at. So ... it looks like MF is out of the running. TYM to look at yet this week and possibly other Mahindra's (2216) at the same dealer.

I do see myself upsizing the possibilities based on the feedback here. I really appreciate it.

Not trying to pick a fight, and I will not respond to your next posts on this subject............but you apparently are not comparing tractors of the same category or you never would have made this post.

 

[Don87]

I think that the final selection, although not completely apples to apples will be: Kioti CK20, JD 1026r and will reserve a POSSIBLE place for the Mahindra 2216 which I hope to look at on Tuesday or Wednesday morning.

This Mahindra dealer really wants me to look at the 2216 over the max25 that the first dealer had in stock and showed us. I can see from the specs that the 2216 is a brute as well and will not rule out without at least looking at it.

JD seems to be a bit smaller in capabilities than the CK or the 2216. Would you concur?

Anyone have a 2216? What was your dealer quoting? What has been your experience?

11 pages on this thread...........................and still the insistance to compare a sub-compact tractor to a compact tractor.

Lord god almighty........................................Has our government dumbed down our society this much???????????????????????




EDITL: I can't finish this thread.............................UNBELIEVABLE.

 

[tkappeler]

11 pages on this thread...........................and still the insistance to compare a sub-compact tractor to a compact tractor.

Lord god almighty........................................Has our government dumbed down our society this much???????????????????????

EDITL: I can't finish this thread.............................UNBELIEVABLE.

Don,

I am disappointed that it would come to name calling and personal attacks. I completely understand about crossing category lines. As a newbie, I was seeking advice. Regardless of category lines, I have to compare value ... as in comparing the combination of price, features, capabilities, comfort, dealer. I understand that one makers CUT may have a price point that overlaps with another SCUT's price point and that lifting capacities may not be equal.

At the end of the day, I have XXX dollars to spend and regardless of what category it fits in, I wanted advice on understanding what features are really important based on my needs and on specific models that seem to fit those needs.

Maybe I should have just created 6 separate threads each asking about a specific model, so I would not have brought in a comparison which got the burr under your saddle.

Thanks, Don, maybe TBN is not the welcoming place where newbies can learn too.

 

[jenkinsph]

I have followed this thread myself and considered the machines suggested and recognize that all of these are too small to get any real work done on a construction site on an economic basis. Meaning that these small machines can move some material around but aren't capable enough to pay their way. For instance a fel that can't load a dumpster because the walls are too high or can't lift materials to the second floor isn't going to help enough to defray the cost of the machine. You may find you need the $14,000 to get the house finished more than you need a tractor.

If it were me I would forego buying a tractor for now and get the house built and have the contractor take care of the jobsite. Then if I had any money left I would buy what I needed to maintain the property. Depending on the size of the property and needs there are lots of choices out there and the needs can be assessed to determine what would work for you.

 

[tkappeler]

Thanks Steve,

One thing that that may have gotten lost in all of the replies is my needs on the construction site. I do know that loading dumpsters wont happen due to lift heights and lifting to a second floor wont happen. No tractor will replace a telescoping, all terrain forklift.

As for the building of the new house, I am building a rancher. the framer will provide crane services for trusses, heavy timber rafters, etc. Primary use on the construction site would be material moving from street drop off to the actual house, about 200' away, fill dirt and gravel moving, moving dropped trees cut to firewood size (excavator for basement will remove stumps).

The bigger uses that come into play will be AFTER construction is done when my girlfriend would start yard maintenance and those needs were listed previously.

In addition, once the house to be removed is dropped to a rubble pile by the excavator, sections can be pulled out to a safe place to be cut into chunks for placement in dumpsters, by hand as necessary. The house removal can take months if necessary.

 

[madmax12]

To get the height you need to drop material in a dumpster, you could build a small dirt ramp at the side of the dumpster. You could do that with your loader in 30 minutes. When u needed the ramp removed, you could use the loader to remove it in less than 30 minutes.

On YouTube, there is a video of a guy using a garden tractor with a johnny bucket to load a trailer hooked to another garden tractor. He built a wood ramp with skids. Drove the bucket tractor up the ramp, and dumped into the trailer.

With all the creativity and imagination on this site, if u post that challenge (how to load a dumpster that's higher than your bucket dump height?), I bet you'll get tons of ideas.

Don't give up on inexpensive tractors so easily. They're very useful tools... Especially if you think outside the box.

Just a thought, anyway... fwiw.

That issue, btw, is another reason to get the largest CUT u can get. Make Don happy (is that possible???), and just remove all SCUTs from the equation. If a CUT won't reach the dumpster, how much less useful would a tiny little SCUT be?

 

[TripleR]

Don,

Maybe I should have just created 6 separate threads each asking about a specific model, so I would not have brought in a comparison which got the burr under your saddle.

Thanks, Don, maybe TBN is not the welcoming place where newbies can learn too.

I have not gone back and read all the posts, I think I posted early and dropped out. I have been operating tractors for well over fifty years and still get useful advice from TBN members on buying and using tractors and equipment.

I have gotten into the occasional kerfuffel with a member, but often became or remained friends and if not at least a level of civility, so I continue to view TBN as a great site for old and new members.

I hope you come to feel the same.:thumbsup: