New Kubota Factory

/ New Kubota Factory #21  
Most everyone on this Planet strives and wishes to have a large enough income to provide a sustainable and adequate income for themselves and their Families. But as an old adage goes, "It's not only how much money you make, but how you spend the money you make". Just a thought. There are countless people in this Country presently, that would love to have a job paying $12.00 an hour.
 
/ New Kubota Factory #23  
Went to a New Holland dealer today and he told me not to buy a NH tractor but his other brand,a Kioti. How about that. He said he has sold only 10 NH brand tractors since 2009 cause of the LS switch. So I am now choosing to go with A JD 3720, MS 1643, Kioti DK40SE or Kubota 4400 HST. What do you guys think. I need something I will have for the next 20 years or so.
You have asked this question in a Kubota thread. 4400 HST. :thumbsup:
 
/ New Kubota Factory #24  
It is a testament to the quality of Kubota offering a very fine product at a price point that sells in the US...
Those jobs they are expanding in Georgia are certainly better than the average pay in Georgia...
The current business model here in the US will not allow someone the ability to pay high wages in any competitive industry whether it be sales, marketing, manufacturing, ect...
In this global economy that is the way it is and that is the way it's gonna be...

I remember my dad buying me a Schwinn Stingray bicycle for my 6th birthday in 1965...
That bike cost $60 at the local bike shop in Lincolnton...
That was a ton of money back then...
You can buy a similar product now for the same dollar almost 45 years later...
I just bought some shirts here at the local Duck Head plant that are cotton pique golf shirts for $3...

If you have a good paying job globalization has been good for you...
I don't know how we are gonna produce enough demand for jobs in the future...
 
/ New Kubota Factory #25  
12 bucks an hour don't buy a new car at 30 grand, or a new home at 125 grand or put the kids through college. 12 bucks an hour don't put food on the table these days either. 12 bucks an hour don't buy a new Kubota tractor either....

Finally 12 bucks an hour for a skilled welders job is an insult.

heck, I make 30 bucks an hour and my only skill is telling people to get focked.:D
Now we know why Michigan is losing their jobs.

Most everyone on this Planet strives and wishes to have a large enough income to provide a sustainable and adequate income for themselves and their Families. But as an old adage goes, "It's not only how much money you make, but how you spend the money you make". Just a thought. There are countless people in this Country presently, that would love to have a job paying $12.00 an hour.
This is why jobs are moving to the Southern States. People are willing to work for a decent wage.
Also, most Employers have a starting wage till an employee learns the job, becomes worth their pay and show they'll come to work on a regular basis. Then the wage increases by a few more dollars per hour. Not all but most decent jobs do this. Raise in 6 months and then another in another 6 months and then annually. I know this is anti Union thinking but maybe this is why Union membership is falling. Sometimes one can get raised out of a job, well I guess that is obvious at many empty factories.
 
/ New Kubota Factory #26  
You write that as though a $30K new car & a $125K new home are bare minimums that every US job should be able to afford. I make a lot more than that & have never had either of those luxuries. Seems best to live within your means, whatever they may be, & that may mean no new car (whether $30K or less) and/or no new home (whether $125K or less) until your savings and/or income can afford it.

A $30K new car is a h3ll of a car!

I was thinking the same thing. That's one of our problems is that we have come to expect to support an expensive lifestyle from routine jobs :( Of course, being able to "afford" a $125K home has driven up home prices....

While I would love to see a full production factory (from iron ore to the finished product), that just isn't going to happen today, outsourcing is the way 98% of companies survive. However, we can hope that many of the parts will be outsourced to other American production. How much of an "American car" is made from U.S. sourced parts?

One of the issues today is that the exchange rate between the Dollar and the Yen strongly favors the U.S. It's hard to make a profit importing parts from Japan.

Ken
 
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#27  
I wonder how much of a factory it will be, right now they just assemble parts on a line supplied from Japan. If that's what is going on I am not impressed. If they are going to make frames and press sheet steal, have a paint shop, and make castings in a foundry, make engines, then you have a factory, not just an assembly plant. Anyone know?
HS

don't be a hater :thumbsup:.

Assuming its the same as the existing KMA plant, they do make frames, press sheet metal, and paint. (I've been there, its amazing) The castings and engines come in from Japan, but man.. you can't expect each and every piece to be done in one place.

One of the issues today is that the exchange rate between the Dollar and the Yen strongly favors the U.S. It's hard to make a profit importing parts from Japan.

Spot on. That maybe part of the reason for them moving production to the US.
 
/ New Kubota Factory #28  
heck, I make 30 bucks an hour and my only skill is telling people to get focked.:D

Sounds like a union job. I doubt Kubota will be union.
 
/ New Kubota Factory #29  
Now we know why Michigan is losing their jobs.


This is why jobs are moving to the Southern States. People are willing to work for a decent wage.
Also, most Employers have a starting wage till an employee learns the job, becomes worth their pay and show they'll come to work on a regular basis. Then the wage increases by a few more dollars per hour. Not all but most decent jobs do this. Raise in 6 months and then another in another 6 months and then annually. I know this is anti Union thinking but maybe this is why Union membership is falling. Sometimes one can get raised out of a job, well I guess that is obvious at many empty factories.

Sounds like a union job. I doubt Kubota will be union.

Being presumptuous will get you in trouble....

First off, I don't work in Michigan, though I do live there. I work south of here, across the state line and secondly, I work for a non-union company that has always been right to work. The reason why is they compensate their employees in relationship to their skills and I'm in a skilled position, a management position that takes more than just management skills.

I have no problem with Kubota locating and building/assembling units here, in fact I own 2 Kubota's and in my opinion, their quality and value is above reproach, in fact, the company I work for is one of the suppliers that supplies materials that Kubota employs to make their attachments in their existing Georgia facility.....

My comment was directed at the comment about an (I presume a SKILLED welder) being paid $12.00 per hour. That is an insult, however, that may be the prevailing wage in the south and I have no idea as to that and candidly, I don't care. I will tell you that any position that involves skill, and ongoing training is worth more than 12 bucks an hour....especially when the minimum wage is better than half that.... but again, it all distills down to a living, equatable wage in direct comparison to being able to maintain a family, buying hard good and being a contributing member of society.

I didn't write the playbook, I only play by the script within.

I'm sure that Kubota is non-union. Labor unions in Japan are non-existent and that's not germane to my post either. My post is simply that it's impossible to purchase hard goods and support a family on a $12.00 per hour job without dual incomes. Can't happen in the current economic climate.

I'm relatively certain that as Kubota rolls in more products on domestic soil, our share of products we supply Kubota will also increase, good for us and good for me as an employee of a supplier company.

Keep in mind that economically, it's a viscious cycle. As the price of whole goods increases (and it surely will based on past and present world financial climate), at some point, only the 'rich' will be able to afford and actually pay for the whole goods that Kubota and every other manufacturer produces and then, the house of cards comes crashing down, exactly what happened to the housing market. That market, with severly inflated pricing (due to the economic climate and government intervention to a point), collapsed. That can happen to any market...

My comment about a 30K car is certainly not unrealistic. Granted, econoboxes are priced much less but many are priced (cars and SUV's) substantially more. Don't ask what my Sedan Deville cost, or my buddy's Tahoe Hybrid or his brother's F350 4x4 King Ranch.... It's economy of scale. 12 bucks an hour equals and econobox or second hand, shopping at Walmart and purchasing the least expensive necessities (which contributes to the trade deficit because those inexpensive necessities are usually imported...) and no real estate ownership.

But then, we can 'afford' those things because we all make an equitable 'living wage', something that needs to be present for a consumer to consume hard goods and contribute to economic growth. That won't happen, raising a family on a 12 buck an hour job.

Until the general attitudes of the populus changes from complaciency and acceptance to being pro-active, we'll continue the slide to a level playing field with the countries that dump their goods here.....

I sure like my air ride suspension, leather seats, cruise. tilt, climate control. parking assist, xm radio, Onstar and every other 'standard option' my caddy has. Enjoy your jarring, basic econobox. I'll enjoy my lugsyourass ride......
 
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/ New Kubota Factory #30  
I'm in a skilled position, a management position that takes more than just management skills.

heck, I make 30 bucks an hour and my only skill is telling people to get focked


Interesting.:)
 
/ New Kubota Factory #31  
Interesting.....
It would seem that many feel that they are entitled, that working to better ones self is only a good thing when the compensation is high enough to purchase the better things in life.
I can see the premise that offering an experienced welder $12 an hr is a smack in the face when said welder was used to making $30 per hr. The question I then have is why is this experienced welder looking for another job?
Other questions would be:
Did the products produced by this highly paid craftsman price them out of the market?
Is the skill level of the welder actually not comensurate to his compensation and he was let go?
Did the company close?
If this welder is unemployed and living off of the taxes of his fellow countrymen, is he entitled to the remain on the dole or should he take this $12 an hr job and work it to the best of his ability until he either earns better compensation or leaves for a higher paying job?
Can this unemployed welder maintain the same lifestyle on unemployment that he had when he earned $30 an hr?
Who is going to support those that won't work for less than what they feel they should recieve?
If this welder is so skilled, why can't he startup his own company and pay all his employees $30 an hr?

I dunno, the fact that a major manufacturer is opening a manufacturing plant that will provide paying jobs, help people develope marketable skills and contribute economically to the area seems to be a good thing to me.

It's more realistic than sitting around doing nothing, living off of others, hopeing to win the lottery.....
 
/ New Kubota Factory #32  
don't be a hater :thumbsup:.

Assuming its the same as the existing KMA plant, they do make frames, press sheet metal, and paint. (I've been there, its amazing) The castings and engines come in from Japan, but man.. you can't expect each and every piece to be done in one place.



Spot on. That maybe part of the reason for them moving production to the US.

You don't understand, I am not a hater. The reason I would buy a Japanese tractor is because I think they do a better job than one made in USA. I don't want a Kubota made in America, I want one made and assembled in Japan. For the same reason I buy German cars, I would no more buy a BMW model made in SC either. I do see a deference from an assembly plant and a factory. I think the labor in Japan is better and makes less mistakes. In car manufacturing engine and transmissions are prime parts and should be sourced from country of origin, sheet medal is not so important. In a tractor I see all the parts as important to the country of origin. That frame and hydraulic parts are key, and or course the engine and transmissions. In buying a Kubota, I wouldn't buy one if the engine was made or assembled in the USA. It defeats the reason for buying a Kubota.

HS
 
/ New Kubota Factory #33  
I can see the premise that offering an experienced welder $12 an hr is a smack in the face when said welder was used to making $30 per hr. The question I then have is why is this experienced welder looking for another job? .
My question would be, is this $12 for for the first 6 months to see how he does and then he gets bumped up to more (say $20) and another raise (say to $25) at 1 year?
If so, I think it makes sense as they can see how well someone works in their system and how their work is.

Aaron Z
 
/ New Kubota Factory #34  
EVeryone wants to make 30.00 an hour and thats the reason most of our jobs have gone mexico or some other country where the labor rate is less. What one needs to remember is that if we all made 30.00 an hour the cost of goods and services would be so much higher it would offset. They more an employee gets paid the more the company overhead goes up, the more the product or service they offer goes up, which means it all costs us more so that raise you just got was pointless.
 
/ New Kubota Factory #35  
It seems supply & demand is at work here: If there are more skilled welders than skilled welder jobs, the wage offered will usually be low.

And if there is ever a shortage on skilled welders, the wage offered will usually rise to attract more skilled welders.
 
/ New Kubota Factory #36  
Modern tractors do not have human welds in them. As far as I know the new LS factory and the new MF 1600 factories are the state of the art now. Japan is playing catchup with S. Korea on many fronts, cars and electronics, and now small tractors. LS's coming from modern robotic factories in S. Korea match or exceed Japanese quality and are selling.

HS
 
/ New Kubota Factory #37  
Some interesting reading above. But in the end, I believe you get what you pay for, i.e., low pay nets lower skilled and less valuable worker. May be exceptions but not many.
 
/ New Kubota Factory #38  
I'm sure that Kubota is non-union. Labor unions in Japan are non-existent and that's not germane to my post either. My post is simply that it's impossible to purchase hard goods and support a family on a $12.00 per hour job without dual incomes. Can't happen in the current economic climate.

Just because the Japanese don't have US labor unions doesn't mean that they don't have Japanese labor unions.

Here is a the PR web page for Kubota's Union.
Kubota Labor Unions

Here is an example of from Toyota.

Toyota Accepts Japan Labor Union?s Request to Raise Pay, Bonuses - Bloomberg
 
/ New Kubota Factory #39  
Amazing how a thread about a factory turns into a thread about modern American politics. This next year is going to be interesting. One question will be answered and the future of America will be decided. Do we go with the premiss that the free market works. Every man gets paid for what he can produce and then lives within those means. Or do we go the way of the socialist and expect everyone to have a new car, new house and cable TV. Regardless of how much he works and what he contributes to society. Both have been tried. I'd say based on the last 200+ years when you compare where America has come from(bunch of ungoverned people living in log homes) to Europe(brick homes and functioning governments) I think the free market wins hands down. No other time or place in history can a man be born in a dirt floor house and rise to that of a supreme court judge(Clarence Thomas). No where else but in AMERICA, the United States of America!!!
 
/ New Kubota Factory #40  
EVeryone wants to make 30.00 an hour and thats the reason most of our jobs have gone mexico or some other country where the labor rate is less. What one needs to remember is that if we all made 30.00 an hour the cost of goods and services would be so much higher it would offset. They more an employee gets paid the more the company overhead goes up, the more the product or service they offer goes up, which means it all costs us more so that raise you just got was pointless.

I have seen local, non union manufacturing companies that paid $12 per hour or less relocate to Mexico. Nothing beats cheap labor.
 

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