Tractor News New Kubota M7 Series

[MHarryE]

As far as Kubota being a puny frame, we have never had a Kubota disassemble like this. My avatar is actually the first time I stuck our 7720. Notice it's hardly sunk in but still immobile.

 

[PapaPerk]

As far as Kubota being a puny frame, we have never had a Kubota disassemble like this. My avatar is actually the first time I stuck our 7720. Notice it's hardly sunk in but still immobile.

Wow that's a hot mess right there! )0:

Did it tear itself apart?

 

[ShowroomShine]

As for FPS, the main source for CNH tractors - they have a combination of DEF and DPF engines in the line and due to several companies skirting the intent of the regulations, Euro Stage V is in the works to insure all engines will have DPFs by 2020. If that translates to USA time will tell.

Dont think so. FPS has the patent on SCR (DEF Fluid ONLY) technology, so our line is either a diesel oxidation catalyst, or DEF. We dont have a combination of either. Construction equipment does have DPF's in some models, but to my knowledge no DPF is in our 75hp and up line.

 

[Grateful11]

I'm pretty sure that the 7,8 and 9000 series are made in Waterloo Iowa. Ever heard of the gold key program. If you have one built in Waterloo you can watch it being made and they present you with a gold key and let you be the first one to start it. If their is a choice I almost always choose made in the USA.

As far as quality issues in the big Deere I don't know about since they went to DEF I haven't run one but I do run an 8320R early tier 4 that has no DPF or DEF and it's been a great tractor. So has the 8335R that has the DPF filter no issues with either tractor. DOF machines usually have issues when being used under light load. The 8335 and 8320 don't get cranked unless they are going to be doing some big time work.

Deere's tractor in the same HP range as the M7 are made in Germany. The only exception in the 7 series range that's not made or assembled in USA is the 7130, 125HP is made in Germany then when you go to the 7210R it's saying Waterloo. I've got nothing against Deere at and I agree if we were buying something in that HP range would have to look real hard at another Deere or another CaseIH Maxxum.

TractorData.com John Deere 7130 tractor information

The 5065M that's here on my sons farm says made in Augusta, GA but that only means it's assembled there with a Mexican engine, a Chinese transmission, an Indian front axle, Brazilian hydraulics and last but least a Cab stamped Made in the good ol' USA.

TractorData.com John Deere 5065M tractor information

 

[Grateful11]

As far as Kubota being a puny frame, we have never had a Kubota disassemble like this. My avatar is actually the first time I stuck our 7720. Notice it's hardly sunk in but still immobile.

What the Wild, Wild World of Sports happened to that thing? Never seen anything quite like that.

 

[MHarryE]

Dont think so. FPS has the patent on SCR (DEF Fluid ONLY) technology, so our line is either a diesel oxidation catalyst, or DEF. We dont have a combination of either. Construction equipment does have DPF's in some models, but to my knowledge no DPF is in our 75hp and up line.

Suggest you verify your information about FPT having a patent tying up SCR technology because from the engine information I have Massey 8600 series introduced it in 2008 followed closely by their AGCO sister Valtra. FPT may have a patent on some component but the basic technology is old. We engine manufacturers had to outline a course to follow in the early 2000s. AGCO was questioned for their decision to go with SCR & DEF at Stage IIIa/Tier 3. Their position was the fuel economy advantage would surpass initial cost so their Sisu engines have had the longest experience. I was thinking more of the New Holland side of CNH. When I was debating on my 120 - 140 purchase 2 years ago the NH sales rep who discussed emissions at the dealer's sales meeting told me he needed to be careful about talking bad about either system because their line would include both. A neighbor who purchased a New Holland T4.75 asked me what was involved in the regeneration the dealer described to him when he sold him the tractor so I assumed the T4.75 has a DPF but I never checked.

 

[rScotty]

Dont think so. FPS has the patent on SCR (DEF Fluid ONLY) technology, so our line is either a diesel oxidation catalyst, or DEF. We dont have a combination of either. Construction equipment does have DPF's in some models, but to my knowledge no DPF is in our 75hp and up line.

I could use some definitions here....and I'll bet I'm not entirely alone.
For example, what are DEF, SCR, FPS, DPF, and the rest?
I can figure some of it out from context; I believe that FPS is Forward Power Systems - i.e. the front drive axle. But it might be some sort of Farm Products Something or other...or even feet/second.

As for patents, I was involved in that throughout my career and have a number of patents myself. Something that I didn't know starting out is that the patent system is based on trading a limited time of manufacturing exclusivity in exchange for "educating the world" in the new technique. That trade is the legal basis for a patent. For businesses that find that too public, the alternative is to simply keep something in-house as a "trade secret".
Once the patent's time span - often 7 years, but varies - that is to say, once the time is up then the patent is made available to all. In fact, that "exclusivity for education" trade is exactly why patents are required to be very specific and contain full details as to construction and use. So a patent issured in 2010 would be getting a bit long in the tooth. And certainly too old to use as a springboard for a development project.
rScotty

 

[WilliamBos]

Suggest you verify your information about FPT having a patent tying up SCR technology because from the engine information I have Massey 8600 series introduced it in 2008 followed closely by their AGCO sister Valtra. FPT may have a patent on some component but the basic technology is old. We engine manufacturers had to outline a course to follow in the early 2000s. AGCO was questioned for their decision to go with SCR & DEF at Stage IIIa/Tier 3. Their position was the fuel economy advantage would surpass initial cost so their Sisu engines have had the longest experience. I was thinking more of the New Holland side of CNH. When I was debating on my 120 - 140 purchase 2 years ago the NH sales rep who discussed emissions at the dealer's sales meeting told me he needed to be careful about talking bad about either system because their line would include both. A neighbor who purchased a New Holland T4.75 asked me what was involved in the regeneration the dealer described to him when he sold him the tractor so I assumed the T4.75 has a DPF but I never checked.

You are correct. AGCO also used DOC which Mack used on road before AGCO added it. While others were preachig in cylinder treatment, AGCO saw the mess it was going to make, and went the smarter route.

 

[Grateful11]

Speaking of DOC, Kubota is putting some DOC only engines into production.

Scroll down a little when you get there.
Kubota Engine America - LATEST NEWS

 

[ShowroomShine]

I could use some definitions here....and I'll bet I'm not entirely alone.
For example, what are DEF, SCR, FPS, DPF, and the rest?
I can figure some of it out from context; I believe that FPS is Forward Power Systems - i.e. the front drive axle. But it might be some sort of Farm Products Something or other...or even feet/second.

As for patents, I was involved in that throughout my career and have a number of patents myself. Something that I didn't know starting out is that the patent system is based on trading a limited time of manufacturing exclusivity in exchange for "educating the world" in the new technique. That trade is the legal basis for a patent. For businesses that find that too public, the alternative is to simply keep something in-house as a "trade secret".
Once the patent's time span - often 7 years, but varies - that is to say, once the time is up then the patent is made available to all. In fact, that "exclusivity for education" trade is exactly why patents are required to be very specific and contain full details as to construction and use. So a patent issured in 2010 would be getting a bit long in the tooth. And certainly too old to use as a springboard for a development project.
rScotty

DEF is Diesel Exhaust Fluid

SCR is Selective Catalytic Reduction

FPS is Fiat Power Systems

DPF is Diesel Particulate Filter

DOC is Diesel Oxidation Catalyst.

In the line of tractors I sell, we either have a DOC which does not regen, but does need to be replaced after a set amount of hours (2000-3000) or SCR only. SCR only means our engine only uses DEF, no regen. Fiat Power Systems is the only engine manufacturer right now (to my knowledge) that can legally use SCR only technology. Its a simple Tier 4 solution, out of the turbo into a chamber with DEF, out the exhaust.